2022 mini-budget discussion

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I thought it had now been decided that was a racist term and therefore rightly banned from Forums like this ?

Whilst I think I applaud your sentiment, I am not one for castrating the English language and all its nuances to subjugate myself to political correctness. Too many long term, previously inoffensive words and phrases are now showing as "potentially offensive" in the major dictionaries. Please don't let something as trite as "gammon" lead you down a similar path. It won't be long before school kids have a vocabulary of less than a few hundred words, and they'll be walking on eggshells wondering if their chosen one is now deemed provocative. No offence ;)
 
But their objective reaction to both of those things was good, our vaccine program was far ahead of the curve in it's roll out and acquisition - that's a huge deal. The governments response to Ukraine has been very positive, no one basically has a bad word to say about how Boris reacted to the Ukraine war. Basically you're left with the fact they had some inappropriate gatherings at Downing Street during lockdown as your criticism.
Have you forgotten the huge number of deaths; the continual lockdowns due to dither and delay as a result of trying to wish COVID away rather than tackling it head on; the 'herd immunity' take it on the chin travesty which robbed us of our chance to nip COVID in the bud and the rampant corruption where billions of pounds in defective medical equipment was burned and the huge excess profits from these contracts which were given to Tory donors without adequate competition? Great, a scientific miracle saved us (although we paid much more than continental Europe for it) and the NHS rolled it out (which they want to cut). Kate Bingham was a crony who ended up being very good at her job, although we'd better not mention Dido Harding and the £37 billion wasted on a test, trace and isolate system that was independently verified to be so bad it had no impact on the course of the pandemic. Without the vaccines we would be truly screwed.

I agree that Johnson and the Conservatives have been good on Ukraine and providing them with the required weapons which I applaud. However, losing your handlers, meeting with and potentially leaking state secrets to an ex-KGB officer and making his son a lord against the wishes of the intelligence services is not. The Tories have taken far too much money from Russian oligarchs linked to Putin and are much too friendly with them.
 
As for your explanation of Bozo's reaction to Ukraine simply being a deflection from "sordid news in the UK", that's incredibly credulous of you if you genuinely believe that, the fact is the UK was supporting Ukraine for years before the full-scale invasion and Boris could just as easily occupy front-page headlines by pushing a German or French strategy and making a big show of negotiating with/having regular phone calls with Putin.

He spent more time on the ground in Ukraine than attending Cobra meetings.
 
I mean, internet forums are the only place guys like chroniclard can say things like that. He probably walks down the street with his eyes pointed at the pavement incase he accidentally makes eye contact with someone

So ******* what if that was the case. chroniclard still makes more sense than you ever could. You live in a dream world where you think you are an alpha but in reality you are just a little nobody with all your BS.

Given that the current bonus cap is 2 x salary, why do they need the cap lifted?

To encourage them to take more risks. I doubt it will be just the bonus that goes, they will probably walk back on the responsability as well.
 
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Given that the current bonus cap is 2 x salary, why do they need the cap lifted?
Because Truss wants to make certain that they take so much risk in order to get those juicy bonuses that they crash the economy again; as if it wasn't bad enough last time.
 
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Have you forgotten the huge number of deaths; the continual lockdowns due to dither and delay as a result of trying to wish COVID away rather than tackling it head on;

There was no precedent for this, but the UK locked down 6 days after France, some countries locked down sooner, some later. The UK wasn't some massive outlier. We locked down at the same time as New Zealand, the US, and Greece for example.

the 'herd immunity' take it on the chin travesty which robbed us of our chance to nip COVID in the bud

Boris Johnson only mentioned "herd immunity" in one speech, that wasn't actually the strategy we followed. Sweden actually never locked down so you could say they followed that strategy and they probably had excess deaths due to that, unlike Denmark who are an easy comparison. It's false to say we could've "nipped COVID in the bud" because no comparable country managed that in Europe basically.

and the rampant corruption where billions of pounds in defective medical equipment was burned and the huge excess profits from these contracts which were given to Tory donors without adequate competition?

PPE was a free for all due to you know an international emergency where every country on Earth was basically scrambling to get PPE from literally anywhere they could, where the government was facing a daily roasting about the lack of PEE, where Matt Hancock was being shouted at on national TV for his lack of action. You talking about "adequate competition" in 2022 is actually so hilariously ignorant when at the time for all we knew the NHS could collapse with thousands of dead Nurses and Doctors and millions of dead people We were setting up emergency hospitals because we had no idea what was going to happen, we know we just needed as much PPE as possible because we were basically in a war time scenario.

Great, a scientific miracle saved us (although we paid much more than continental Europe for it) and the NHS rolled it out (which they want to cut).

Who else would roll it out? lol

Kate Bingham was a crony who ended up being very good at her job, although we'd better not mention Dido Harding and the £37 billion wasted on a test, trace and isolate system that was independently verified to be so bad it had no impact on the course of the pandemic. Without the vaccines we would be truly screwed.

Ok we tried something and it didn't work very well, these things happen.

I agree that Johnson and the Conservatives have been good on Ukraine and providing them with the required weapons which I applaud. However, losing your handlers, meeting with and potentially leaking state secrets to an ex-KGB officer and making his son a lord against the wishes of the intelligence services is not. The Tories have taken far too much money from Russian oligarchs linked to Putin and are much too friendly with them.

Jesus, how much misinformation do I have to sift through? Boris Johnson isn't required to go everywhere with his security, he is allowed to speak to people because he is the Prime Minister, he doesn't have "handlers". That's not how it works. The security services can raise concerns, but ultimately as the Prime Minister he can ignore those concerns, do you know why? Because he's the Prime Minister. The head of UK government is someone who is chosen to make decisions like that. Just like Prime Ministers in wartime can go speak to leaders of other countries and discuss secret war time plans and strategies, that is why they're elected and chosen. If Boris Johnson had leaked secrets to Russia and betrayed the UK then he should be hung for treason, but I think probably that wasn't the case.

I think a lot of people in London take money from Russians, I think a lot of Russians in London are in London because they aren't very friendly with Putin, some are, some aren't. Someone being Russian doesn't mean they're a secret KGB agent. This is pretty much again CT stuff.
 
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Jesus, how much misinformation do I have to sift through? Boris Johnson isn't required to go everywhere with his security, he is allowed to speak to people because he is the Prime Minister,

He wasnt the PM at the time he was the foreign secretary who had just come back from the NATO meeting about Russia and still with his papers he slipped his handlers and went to meet an ex KGB agent. I know you like to pretend you arent stupid or gullable but christ you dont hide it very well.
 
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Because Truss wants to make certain that they take so much risk in order to get those juicy bonuses that they crash the economy again; as if it wasn't bad enough last time.

Sure, because having high fixed costs is super competitive and doesn't present additional risks of it's own.
 
He wasnt the PM at the time he was the foreign secretary who had just come back from the NATO meeting about Russia and still with his papers he slipped his handlers and went to meet an ex KGB agent. I know you like to pretend you arent stupid or gullable but christ you dont hide it very well.

You keep using the term "slipped his handlers", it's so strange. I think if Boris Johnson wanted to deliberately and maliciously send confidential information to an ex KGB agent there would be plenty of ways of doing it. You realise he could just take a photo of the documents on his private mobile phone and send them over whatsapp, you know, just something really basic? In reality Boris probably wanted to go for a drink and party with his mate and some women.
 
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You keep using the term "slipped his handlers", it's so strange. I think if Boris Johnson wanted to deliberately and maliciously send confidential information to an ex KGB agent there would be plenty of ways of doing it. You realise he could just take a photo of the documents on his private mobile phone and send them over whatsapp, you know, just something really basic? In reality Boris probably wanted to go for a drink and party with his mate and some women.

None so gullable as those that dont really give a ****.
 
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