2022 mini-budget discussion

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arknor said:
we don't? :cry:
oh you believed the lies...
www.bbc.co.uk

Chancellor Sajid Javid declares end of austerity

The government has unveiled the biggest spending increase in 15 years.
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:cry: Not in austerity because the tory man said so :cry:
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Do you know what austerity means? We aren't in austerity, it's a word that has a specific meaning. There hasn't been austerity for years.

arknor said:
Tories handled covid well... bojo is that you? how many infected old people were sent out to care homes? how many people were arrested for sitting alone on a bench in a park? how many parties did the tories throw at the same time as people being blocked from seeing dying loved ones? :mad:
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Labour would've done the exact same with sending people back to care homes, do you think this was a unique thing the UK did? It happened all over the world, no one was prepared. The UK response was rather good overall, we expanded our testing very quickly and were one of the first countries with a large scale vaccine process. That's actually the important stuff.

arknor said:
Ukraine? wow give them our stuff, really handled it, all the yachts and stuff we seized like EU countries... oh wait :cry:
BOJO tried hard to get a nobel peace prize by giving them lots of our stuff though at a time he wouldn't help at home with the energy/living crisis.


Take from the pensioners to give to the Ukranians or something
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I'm not sure Corbyn would've done anything, he would've taken his very risk averse approach and probably not supported Ukraine at all. You're criticising Boris and the Tories but the reality is the other bloke was a much worse candidate.
 
chroniclard said:
Person A trashes UK and is possibly worst PM In history yet hypothetical person B would have been worse. #GammonLogic :cry:
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It's genius isn't it. They think they can predict what Corbyn would have did, while seemingly oblivious to the fact that not one of them would have predicted that the Tories would tell people to stay off work because the might catch a cold, pay everyone's wages for months on end and then give every single household in the country free money to pay their bills this winter.
 
Dirk Diggler said:
It's genius isn't it. They think they can predict what Corbyn would have did, while seemingly oblivious to the fact that not one of them would have predicted that the Tories would tell people to stay off work because the might catch a cold, pay everyone's wages for months on end and then give every single household in the country free money to pay their bills this winter.
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If I go back and search for "Magic Money tree", I imagine it will all be about how "dangerous" Labours spending would be.

Never mind we just borrowed £100 billion more, rather than tax the ridiculous profits energy companies have made in the last 6 months.
 
Dirk Diggler said:
It's genius isn't it. They think they can predict what Corbyn would have did, while seemingly oblivious to the fact that not one of them would have predicted that the Tories would tell people to stay off work because the might catch a cold, pay everyone's wages for months on end and then give every single household in the country free money to pay their bills this winter.
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You don't believe Covid was worse than a cold then? I'll let my ex partner know who's SP02 levels were in the 70's when she was checked at hospital, and the 3 patients at her mental health hospital who died know, they'll be relieved to find out they only caught a cold and are alive and well.
 
Dirk Diggler said:
They're not being criticised for the existence of these things, they're being criticised for their reaction to them.
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But their objective reaction to both of those things was good, our vaccine program was far ahead of the curve in it's roll out and acquisition - that's a huge deal. The governments response to Ukraine has been very positive, no one basically has a bad word to say about how Boris reacted to the Ukraine war. Basically you're left with the fact they had some inappropriate gatherings at Downing Street during lockdown as your criticism.
 
Roar87 said:
But their objective reaction to both of those things was good, our vaccine program was far ahead of the curve in it's roll out and acquisition - that's a huge deal. The governments response to Ukraine has been very positive, no one basically has a bad word to say about how Boris reacted to the Ukraine war. Basically you're left with the fact they had some inappropriate gatherings at Downing Street during lockdown as your criticism.
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There are about 20 fubars on Johnson's list alone, I did write them down in another thread. And that's just Johnson.
 
Roar87 said:
But their objective reaction to both of those things was good, our vaccine program was far ahead of the curve in it's roll out and acquisition - that's a huge deal. The governments response to Ukraine has been very positive, no one basically has a bad word to say about how Boris reacted to the Ukraine war. Basically you're left with the fact they had some inappropriate gatherings at Downing Street during lockdown as your criticism.
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You've lost the thread of the conversation again, haven't you.

Explainer:

You're saying that their reaction to Covid was good, and this included the furlough scheme and giving people free food (eat out to help out). Basically, you're so fond of predicting what Corbyn would have did that you're blind to the fact that no-one would have predicted these actions of the Tories during the 2019 election.

Conclusion:

The "what Corbyn would have done" predictions aren't accurate in any way, they're just ways of justifying Tory decline in a "we had no choice" narrative.

In Scotland, we call it "utter pish".
 
Dirk Diggler said:
You've lost the thread of the conversation again, haven't you.

Explainer:

You're saying that their reaction to Covid was good, and this included the furlough scheme and giving people free food (eat out to help out). Basically, you're so fond of predicting what Corbyn would have did that you're blind to the fact that no-one would have predicted these actions of the Tories during the 2019 election.

Conclusion:

The "what Corbyn would have done" predictions aren't accurate in any way, they're just ways of justifying Tory decline in a "we had no choice" narrative.

In Scotland, we call it "utter pish".
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A Scots opinion of the Tories is about as far from objective as you can get, I take it you support the SNP separatist movement as well? You may as well be a Liverpool fan talking to me about Man United.
 
Roar87 said:
A Scots opinion of the Tories is about as far from objective as you can get, I take it you support the SNP separatist movement as well? You may as well be a Liverpool fan talking to me about Man United.
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I voted SNP in the last election and would vote against independence tomorrow just as I did in 2014. In the past I've voted Labour, Green and Lib Dem. My vote is always up for grabs and is never predefined based on allegiance of any kind.

Nice swerve all the same.
 
Roar87 said:
A Scots opinion of the Tories is about as far from objective as you can get, I take it you support the SNP separatist movement as well? You may as well be a Liverpool fan talking to me about Man United.
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I'm from the South East and I approve the Scotsmans opinion
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Is it ok for you not to dismiss them now?
 
Rai200 said:
I'm from the South East and I approve the Scotsmans opinion
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Is it ok for you not to dismiss them now?
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There's a lot of bizarre tribalistic hate around the Tories, you don't need to be a Scot, it's the same in the Yorkshire as well for obvious reasons.
 
Dirk Diggler said:
It's genius isn't it. They think they can predict what Corbyn would have did...
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Dirk Diggler said:
They're not being criticised for the existence of these things, they're being criticised for their reaction to them.
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OK and look at Corbyn's reaction and that of his buddies to the war in Ukraine so far then - he's a member of the stop the war coalition... he's urged the West to stop arming Ukraine. Putin might have surrounded Kyiv if not for additional help with NLAWs etc.. from the UK.

As for covid - Wales had a Labour government, we've seen how they reacted to it. Is their NHS in any better shape right now - nope, it's performing far worse.

www.walesonline.co.uk

NHS Wales performance figures worst on record

More than 680,000 people in Wales are now on an NHS waiting list for non-urgent treatment
www.walesonline.co.uk www.walesonline.co.uk
Median waiting times for November in Wales are nearly double that of England - 22.3 weeks compared to 11.5 - while a quarter of Welsh patients are waiting over a year for treatment compared to only one in 19 across the border.
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It's well and good to blame the government for the energy prices, Covid etc.. but those things would have happened regardless of who is in charge and with a good chance they'd have been handled far worse.
 
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