2025 road fund

pastymuncher said:
It's well and truly broken when any ICE powered car pays less than a zero polluting EV!!
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VED is driven more by politics and financials than emissions. EVs are an easy target politically and, if the drive is to get more people into them, a necessary target financially.
 
pastymuncher said:
It's well and truly broken when any ICE powered car pays less than a zero polluting EV!!
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The goal was never to make EVs cheaper to run in the long term. The tax man wants their cut.

Problem is EVs have already got so expensive that sales have flat-lined and we are never going to hit the switchover date. The infrastructure is nowhere near ready either. I can see the whole thing being pushed back again or cancelled. So maybe they can see it coming and thought **** it, rinse the suckers now.

Anyway, looking at the graph again. It seems like my Elise tax hasn't changed either.
 
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I'd like to see a RFL matrix where mass is a feature. The fact that two tonne plus vehicles are becoming the norm, rather than the extreme outlier is depressing.
 
julianhj said:
I'd like to see a RFL matrix where mass is a feature. The fact that two tonne plus vehicles are becoming the norm, rather than the extreme outlier is depressing.
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It should be. Wear on the roads should be considered too and obviously a heavy car is using up more materials.

No one really needs a 2t+ monstrosity.
 
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Nasher said:
It should be. Wear on the roads should be considered too and obviously a heavy car is using up more materials.
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Other issues such as brake and tyre particulates are also a factor that the EU are beginning to consider, IIRC. Heavier cars are usually harder on these.
 
Bear said:
Old non DPF smokey diesels should banned, filthy things
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I'm not a fan of diesel fumes and either I'm becoming more sensitive to it or there are more cars shooting soot out of the exhaust than there used to be.

That said I wouldn't want to penalise anyone for running an older car. What I would love to see banned is any diesel, new or old, that is throwing visible smoke. There is no need for it if they are maintained properly.

DPFs are unfortunately now well and truly part of the cheap old banger sector of the car market and the general buyer in this market isn't going to spend hundreds on replacing a DPF when 'my mate Dave down the pub' will 'sort' it for £70. Unfortunately sorting it to Dave means smashing the guts out of it and installing some OBD bodge he has no clue about but his mate Bazza tells him is pukka.

No smoke no poke types who wear there sooty rear ends, from dodgy remaps, with pride simply need their cars crushing.
 
lordrobs said:
I'm not a fan of diesel fumes and either I'm becoming more sensitive to it or there are more cars shooting soot out of the exhaust than there used to be.

That said I wouldn't want to penalise anyone for running an older car. What I would love to see banned is any diesel, new or old, that is throwing visible smoke. There is no need for it if they are maintained properly.

DPFs are unfortunately now well and truly part of the cheap old banger sector of the car market and the general buyer in this market isn't going to spend hundreds on replacing a DPF when 'my mate Dave down the pub' will 'sort' it for £70. Unfortunately sorting it to Dave means smashing the guts out of it and installing some OBD bodge he has no clue about but his mate Bazza tells him is pukka.

No smoke no poke types who wear there sooty rear ends, from dodgy remaps, with pride simply need their cars crushing.
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I think "biodiesel" has something to do with it. Apparently it doesn't burn as cleanly in old diesel engines. So in a pre-DPF car it will make a lot of smoke, in one with a DPF it will clog it.

So like E10, a bit of a false economy.
 
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Nasher said:
I think "biodiesel" has something to do with it. Apparently it doesn't burn as cleanly in old diesel engines. So in a pre-DPF car it will make a lot of smoke, in one with a DPF it will clog it.

So like E10, a bit of a false economy.
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Wtf does biodiesel have to do with dodgy maps and cat deletes :confused:
 
Nasher said:
No one really needs a 2t+ monstrosity.
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Whilst I agree with you to a certain extent, let's imagine a Toyota Aygo and a Q7. I know which car I'd rather be in, if I were to have an accident.

And when my son starts to drive next year, I know which one I'd rather he drove.

Insurance, unfortunately, does not agree with me!
 
pastymuncher said:
It's well and truly broken when any ICE powered car pays less than a zero polluting EV!!
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It's the retrospective rug-pull that's the real kicker when it comes to VED on EVs :(

I know it's only £190, but that's still double what I pay in "fuel" over the year! Basically increases my running costs by 300%
 
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Diddums said:
Yet another way we're getting absolutely bent over in this country.

Maybe I should emigrate, getting a bit tired of it tbh.
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Could be worse. I pay over £1000pa on my 2018 M2, and had to pay £2000 to register it.
On a new M2, £6000 to register. You guys really don't have it that bad and I'm not much more than 150 miles away from the UK :p
 
julianhj said:
Other issues such as brake and tyre particulates are also a factor that the EU are beginning to consider, IIRC. Heavier cars are usually harder on these.
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I agree generally with respect to tyre wear, but even though equivalent EVs are heavier their regenerative braking produce less brake material. They also don't deposit precious metals such as platinum out of catalytic converters (until EVs are scrapped, then it's a lot more!).
 
Gepetto said:
Whilst I agree with you to a certain extent, let's imagine a Toyota Aygo and a Q7. I know which car I'd rather be in, if I were to have an accident.

And when my son starts to drive next year, I know which one I'd rather he drove.

Insurance, unfortunately, does not agree with me!
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Because a tiny bump in a Q7 will cost the insurer many £1000s. I know which one I'd rather own from a running cost and reliability perspective too :D

Funny thing is, some of these old eco hatchbacks are holding their value strongly since COVID. People have been buying old Japanese, Korean, Fords (pre-ecoboost ofc). Even certain VW/Audis because they are dirt cheap to run and more solid than some of the stuff being yeeted out of factories now
 
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Nasher said:
Funny thing is, some of these old eco hatchbacks are holding their value strongly since COVID. People have been buying old Japanese, Korean, Fords (pre-ecoboost ofc). Even certain VW/Audis because they are dirt cheap to run and more solid than some of the stuff being yeeted out of factories now
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What cars are not holding their value based on this statement :cry:
 
Haggisman said:
It's the retrospective rug-pull that's the real kicker when it comes to VED on EVs :(

I know it's only £190, but that's still double what I pay in "fuel" over the year! Basically increases my running costs by 300%
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Wait until 2026 when EVs pay the standard day rate for the London congestion charge.
 
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