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Surely they should do already, its not like they arent causing congestion based on what actually powers the car
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Surely they should do already, its not like they arent causing congestion based on what actually powers the car
Soldato
Thankfully that one wont affect me as I'd rather gouge my eyes out with a rusty spoon than visit the foetid hellhole that is London
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Soldato
You’d think so, but no. “Zero emission” vehicles currently enjoy a 100% discount on the CG.
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This is the way.Thankfully that one wont affect me as I'd rather gouge my eyes out with a rusty spoon than visit the foetid hellhole that is London
Soldato
* throws in hand grenade* - Well, EVs are heavier than their ICE equivalents so cause more road damage so should pay more
And after that, cycles and pedestrians will pay the fee
Thankfully that one wont affect me as I'd rather gouge my eyes out with a rusty spoon than visit the foetid hellhole that is London
It doesn't help that it's mayor is a massive *****.
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If you take that view then no one really NEEDS anything other than a basic small car - Fiat Panda's all round then
If you take that view then no one really NEEDS anything other than a basic small car - Fiat Panda's all round then
Which is about the size of a medium car 30 years ago. Why do you need anything bigger?
It's not like you can actually fit more inside most SUVs and certainly not inside "crossovers".
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I really don't understand the way the new VED criteria is going.
The political and environmental drive (For the UK and worldwide) is to reach Net Zero within the next ~10 years and this new system doesn't appear to facilitate that, or drive improvement for the motoring sector.
As an EV driver - I'm happy to pay for VED / Road Tax, and any other tax deemed necessary. However, fossil powered cars, especially the older ones, should be taxed the highest amount, to the point where owners/users of these are forced to consider a cleaner method of transport.
The political and environmental drive (For the UK and worldwide) is to reach Net Zero within the next ~10 years and this new system doesn't appear to facilitate that, or drive improvement for the motoring sector.
As an EV driver - I'm happy to pay for VED / Road Tax, and any other tax deemed necessary. However, fossil powered cars, especially the older ones, should be taxed the highest amount, to the point where owners/users of these are forced to consider a cleaner method of transport.
Many people can't afford to buy EVs or don't have places to charge them. A lot of the new estates going up don't even provide driveways for the houses, which is an issue. My local BMW main dealer has a line of used ones stretching maybe 100 meters, the public aren't buying them as they aren't practical for many.
Public transport isn't a viable alternative for people outside of the main cities.
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Tell me about it. I bought a 2021 Nissan Leaf Tekna back in June and got my "fuel" cost down to £1.63 per 100 miles. It's a sad state of affairs when the VED costs more than the "fuel" per year.It's the retrospective rug-pull that's the real kicker when it comes to VED on EVs
I know it's only £190, but that's still double what I pay in "fuel" over the year! Basically increases my running costs by 300%
Where did I say people needed to buy an EV?
I said switch to a cleaner method
Replacing an old diesel, e.g. a 1990 Peugeot diesel, for a newer petrol/diesel car (2010+) is this
(that's one example, there are many more scenarios)
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Maybe they should try dropping the price to more realistic levels. Like say I don't know...70%?
I wonder if this will continue to the point the prices simply have to come down hugely and people will start buying, or whether they will sit there so long that they become uneconomical to even keep on the forecourts taking up space and maintaining etc. Perhaps EVs will literally die out all together and people will end up with expensive 2 ton bricks. I think the uncertainty is why a lot of people will only go EV on lease so they can just discard at the end and do a new deal if they feel it is still worth it. This then repeats the cycle and more and more and up sitting there as second hand EVs that nobody will commit to.
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Where did I say people needed to buy an EV?
I said switch to a cleaner method
Replacing an old diesel, e.g. a 1990 Peugeot diesel, for a newer petrol/diesel car (2010+) is this
But if it's still working fine, why change it. It's cheap to run and likely isn't going to lose anything in value now. I don't see how throwing a perfectly good car away and building another is very "green".
Also the financial crisis has caused many to take up "bangernonics" again.
Maybe they should try dropping the price to more realistic levels. Like say I don't know...70%?
I wonder if this will continue to the point the prices simply have to come down hugely and people will start buying, or whether they will sit there so long that they become uneconomical to even keep on the forecourts taking up space and maintaining etc. Perhaps EVs will literally die out all together and people will end up with expensive 2 ton bricks. I think the uncertainty is why a lot of people will only go EV on lease so they can just discard at the end and do a new deal if they feel it is still worth it.
Yep, they need to drop in price massively. They aren't selling because they are still over-priced even after all the depreciation. But dealers are resisting doing it, so the mountain of used EVs pile up. I wonder how long they wait before sending them to auction as surely they will lose even more by doing that.
At some point maybe I'll go in and low ball them for one which I know has sat there for the best part of a year, see what they say
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Soldato
Or people with kids or pets
Or people who need to transport anything which won't fit in a small backpack
Or people who don't work 9-5 Monday to Friday
Maybe they should try dropping the price to more realistic levels. Like say I don't know...70%?
I wonder if this will continue to the point the prices simply have to come down hugely and people will start buying, or whether they will sit there so long that they become uneconomical to even keep on the forecourts taking up space and maintaining etc. Perhaps EVs will literally die out all together and people will end up with expensive 2 ton bricks. I think the uncertainty is why a lot of people will only go EV on lease so they can just discard at the end and do a new deal if they feel it is still worth it. This then repeats the cycle and more and more and up sitting there as second hand EVs that nobody will commit to.
It seems a lot of dealers tried to make a quick ££ when the prices were super high due to shortages a couple of years ago, and are now stuck with a load of stock which has plummeted in value, but they're loathe to take a loss on it, so are just sitting on their inventory, and somehow failing to grasp that they're going to lose even more value that way...
Coupled with the fact our govt. have form for making massive U-turns on legislation to screw people over (e.g. we're now going to backdate the VED rules by 8 years...), means buyers are reluctant to commit when they could find themselves on the receiving end of a massive tax bill with no prior warning.
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Or people who actually want to visit more than just the nearest town/city.
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At some point maybe I'll go in and low ball them for one which I know has sat there for the best part of a year, see what they say
They'll probably say Mr Nasher for you we will do good deal. Please bend over in the corner. Then you'll take the "deal" and be back in a week when the barely used battery self destructs due to lack of use and melts your house down.
I'm sure this happens weekly in fact.
Generally people driving old bangers do so because that is what they can afford. You can't tax these people more for only being able to afford an old car, that is inherently wrong and would be political suicide for any party that chooses to go that route.Where did I say people needed to buy an EV?
I said switch to a cleaner method
Replacing an old diesel, e.g. a 1990 Peugeot diesel, for a newer petrol/diesel car (2010+) is this
I was behind a 2015 Focus the other day spewing **** out of the exhaust. I'd wager that a well maintained Peugeot 1.9 TD would have less environmental impact that that particular POS.
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Actually, I'd say that's one of the few scenarios where public transport is a viable option (again, assuming you don't have pets/need to transport anything).
But then there's the cost argument.
If I wanted to visit say Bristol for a day trip on a random weekend next month, it would cost £160 for the 4 of us on the train.
Conversely it would cost £5 in electricity to drive, and I'm pretty sure parking is going to be less than £155!
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