300 GBP tops and insane audio... though it will destroy your neighbours sanity.

Looks like the back of my old mk6 escort cab when I was 18 - Only vibe was crap back then (and judging by the price it still is now) so I had a pair of Alpine R-Type 12" that used to make the car sound like a rolling vibration machine :cry:

Forget the sound can't you do anything to stop it looking like the back of a 18 year old's ****box?
 
Ah... falling back into the old audiophile "well unless you've heard my system you can't possible comment..."




If £80 Class D amplifiers were the best thing available, then everyone would have them.

The fact is that most Hi fi amplifiers don't use them and Most AV Receivers don't use them - why wouldn't manufacturers use them if the sound quality is indistinguishable from more power hungry/physical larger/expensive AB designs?
However for things that REQUIRE small amplifiers (like mobile phones, MP3 players, car stereos etc) then they can't be beaten.

(*Before anyone says it, I know there are exceptions in that you can quite easily get £1000 Class D amplifiers and the like)


"If £80 Class D amplifiers were the best thing available, then everyone would have them."


If people were not already indoctrinated enough to begin with you mean?

If people with a brain which most of the masses don't where more money = better apparently...
 
Looks like the back of my old mk6 escort cab when I was 18 - Only vibe was crap back then (and judging by the price it still is now) so I had a pair of Alpine R-Type 12" that used to make the car sound like a rolling vibration machine :cry:

Forget the sound can't you do anything to stop it looking like the back of a 18 year old's ****box?
The old looks argument once the quality part is factored.

I do agree though I am not a fan of the silver trim or the red accents, but ehh.. money.
 
Oh LOL those old Slicks are even worse!

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And there we have it folks, he just don't believe me!

The most important part of a subwoofers performance is the box design, these slicks were total crap to begin with.

In a much better box, probably a lot better.

like for like the slicks were better subs. definitely sounded better sealed. The drivers are buitl better as well, not generic baskets like the pulse range. Bigger magnets, better power handling. If anything, vibe have gone backwards. As difficult as that is to believe for what was already a budget brand.

At least a little interesting ...
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Generic...
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And yeah, still dont believe you. Considering the crap you've come out with in this thread already, i've no reason to believe anything else you say.
 
like for like the slicks were better subs. definitely sounded better sealed. The drivers are buitl better as well, not generic baskets like the pulse range. Bigger magnets, better power handling. If anything, vibe have gone backwards. As difficult as that is to believe.

And yeah, still dont believe you. Considering the crap you've come out with in this thread already, i've no reason to believe anything else you say.
Well I don't have any reason to believe you either.

You think I was not one of those in Halford's testing their subs and speakers out with the red buttons?

We all live in a vacuum?


You don't have to believe me, I already said, this setup is amazing.

I am glad yours was / is too.
 
If people with a brain which most of the masses don't where more money = better apparently...

So why aren't manufacturers sticking tiny little cheap class D amplifiers in AV Receiver cases and pocketing the difference in cost as extra profit?
I mean they sound exactly the same, consumers won't know, and it will be a tidy little earner for the manufacturers?

Or are you saying the manufacturers haven't got a brain?
 
So why aren't manufacturers sticking tiny little cheap class D amplifiers in AV Receiver cases and pocketing the difference in cost as extra profit?
I mean they sound exactly the same, consumers won't know, and it will be a tidy little earner for the manufacturers?

Or are you saying the manufacturers haven't got a brain?
When you create a world around you to ensure your product for the time is the best, you then may need to reinforce that world you created as time moves on and innovations and cost changes happen, you may need then to uphold that yours is still the best way to go, even if there are comparable products that are wildly different in design.

See money is a killer drug, don't alienate your loyal fan base now!

As it is mostly the nuts at the high end that drive the changes as it is those they write about in their magazines, not the casual buyer.
 
The old looks argument once the quality part is factored.

I do agree though I am not a fan of the silver trim or the red accents, but ehh.. money.

Yea perhaps shove it into a custom enclosure... is what I did to make my old r-types not look like crap and make them rattle the car a bit less. I'm personally running a douk class D with a pair of the OG kef eggs and although the sound is good (better if I run it out to my amp and proper home cinema sub etc) I don't think a douk is ever going to produce that "blow you away" sound. Decent for the money but an audiophile would rip you a new one.
 
Yea perhaps shove it into a custom enclosure... is what I did to make my old r-types not look like crap and make them rattle the car a bit less. I'm personally running a douk class D with a pair of the OG kef eggs and although the sound is good (better if I run it out to my amp and proper home cinema sub etc) I don't think a douk is ever going to produce that "blow you away" sound. Decent for the money but an audiophile would rip you a new one.
Audiophile is a bad term, since we all here are to differing degree's enjoyer's of audio, so why split?

I won't be responding for a bit as I am now busy until tonight.
 
Audiophile is a bad term, since we all here are to differing degree's enjoyer's of audio, so why split?

I won't be responding for a bit as I am now busy until tonight.

Audiophile is a great term and super relevant, it puts science to how sound is reproduced. There is you see a scientific wrong and right when it comes to the re-production of sound in such a way that keeps it true to the way it was recorded. I'm clearly not an audiophile as lets be honest im rocking a £50 douk amp on my PC, there is a reason its cheap and thats because frankly it isn't nearly as good as something 10x the price. I know a guy that is really into his audio and if you listened to his **** you would be blown away. It felt like I was there in the recording studio with the artist, just a quality of sound that was so complete it left me slightly wowed. Something I have never experienced at home on my setups. Mind you he runs stuff through a ton of processors that I have no clue what they do and probably has thousands if not 10's of thousands tied up in it. I bet if he could recreate that for a few hundred quid he would be all over it like a rash.
 
Audiophile is a great term and super relevant, it puts science to how sound is reproduced. There is you see a scientific wrong and right when it comes to the re-production of sound in such a way that keeps it true to the way it was recorded. I'm clearly not an audiophile as lets be honest im rocking a £50 douk amp on my PC, there is a reason its cheap and thats because frankly it isn't nearly as good as something 10x the price. I know a guy that is really into his audio and if you listened to his **** you would be blown away. It felt like I was there in the recording studio with the artist, just a quality of sound that was so complete it left me slightly wowed. Something I have never experienced at home on my setups. Mind you he runs stuff through a ton of processors that I have no clue what they do and probably has thousands if not 10's of thousands tied up in it. I bet if he could recreate that for a few hundred quid he would be all over it like a rash.
A mate of mine in hong kong recently got a valve phono/pre/power system, best part of £50k ... he said it sounded 'ok' lol.
 
A mate of mine in hong kong recently got a valve phono/pre/power system, best part of £50k ... he said it sounded 'ok' lol.

Yea sounds like the guy I know - While I have got my jaw on the floor because i'm hearing things in a song ive listened to 1000x and hearing stuff ive never heard, instruments I never even knew were in the back there. He is standing there like meh it could be better :cry:
 
Most (but not all) people on this forum set their audio up wrong.

This is the order you do it in.

1) Good nearfield monitors, for example Adam T5V or similar.
2) Then you get desk stands and set the speakers up - spend time setting them up. Speaker setup is critical.

I don't care how much you spend on audio equipment, without speaker setup it's pointless. Imagine a Porsche 911 RS with all it's geo and tracking wrong, it won't handle or drive correct, it's the same with your speakers if there not setup correct! This includes anyone who just places speakers directly on a desk. Speakers should be level and area between woofer and tweeter should be near or at your ear level. You can adjust sound by the distance the speakers are apart, aim first to have vocals forward and centre, small distances from wall, and small changes in angle can be critical also.

Same also with a sub, place isolation foam and raise the sub from the floor and it helps the sound.

3) Then some isolation foam for speakers.

Here is the test for isolation foam, when your music is playing, place your hand flat on your desk, if you feel vibration from the desk your speakers are not isolated and your degrading your sound.

4) A reasonably good sound card or DAC. At least a Creative AE5, or one of the better rated Topping DAC's
5) Then some good quality cables (yes they make a difference I'll be doing a thread showing RMAA cable results soon!)
6) The final bit, it's about synergy between all the components, again you can only discover this when doing your setup.

On the subject of subwoofers, subs should only be used to support the main speakers. They should be invisible and only noticed when the sub is turned off. However once your use to good near field monitors you may find you don't desire a subwoofer, I have a sub under my desk currently not connected as I'm perfectly happy with my studio monitors alone.

Do this and you'll should have very good detailed audio, the above (without sub) can be done for under £600

And for anyone who thinks their mother board audio is good, this the test...

Go and find a late 80/90's separates CD player, something that was good like a Yamaha Natural sound, or Pioneer separates. If you don't own one ask your parents if they still own one. Then back to back test this vintage CD player with your latest motherboard audio. You soon realise how clean and noise free those old separates CD players sound compared to your motherboard audio.
 
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Most (but not all) people on this forum set there audio up wrong.

This is the order you do it in.

1) Good nearfield monitors, for example Adam T5V or similar.
2) Then you get desk stands and set the speakers up - spend time setting them up. Speaker setup is critical.

I don't care how much you spend on audio equipment, without speaker setup it's pointless. Imagine a Porsche 911 RS with all it's geo and tracking wrong, it won't handle or drive correct, it's the same with your speakers if there not setup correct! This includes anyone who just places speakers directly on a desk. Speakers should level and area between woofer and tweeter should be near or at your ear level. You can adjust sound by the distance the speakers are apart, aim first to have vocals forward and centre, small distances from wall, and small changes in angle can be critical also.

Same also with a sub, place isolation foam and raise the sub from the floor and it helps the sound.

3) Then some isolation foam for speakers.

Here is the test for isolation foam, when your music is playing, place your hand flat on your desk, if you feel vibration from the desk your speakers are not isolated and your degrading your sound.

4) A reasonably good sound card or DAC. At least a Creative AE5, or one of the better rated Topping DAC's
5) Then some good quality cables (yes they make a difference I'll be doing a thread showing RMAA cable results soon!)
6) The final bit, it's about synergy between all the components, again you can only discover this when doing your setup.

Once everything is setup correctly you will never need EQ, or software sound adjustment, you'll never find yourself reaching to adjust BASS. Games, films, any type of music, once your setup correct your one and only setup does everything!! On my desk setup, and main HiFi the only adjustment I make is the volume control and the on/off switch to the amp(s)!

On the subject of subwoofers, subs should only be used to support the main speakers. They should be invisible and only noticed when the sub is turned off. However once your use to good near field monitors you may find you don't desire a subwoofer, I have a sub under my desk currently not connected as I'm perfectly happy with my studio monitors alone.

Do this and you'll should have very good detailed audio, the above (without sub) can be done for under £600

And for anyone who thinks their mother board audio is good, this the test...

Go and find a late 80/90's separates CD player, something that was good like a Yamaha Natural sound, or Pioneer separates. If you don't own one ask your parents if they still own one. Then back to back test this vintage CD player with your latest motherboard audio. You soon realise how clean and noise free those old separates CD players sound compared to your motherboard audio.
I have a Memorex CD-1650 hooked up though I rarely use it, it's very good but there is no noticeable different between that and say a Spotify song with the highest quality in settings selected.

I always kind of laughed at people who claim it sounds like this or that and they are experiencing some kind of closeness with the original artist, when we get artists doing sound checks in a car...
And this is another problem, car audio is subject to car noise, when in a house this is non existent.

My local cash converters has speakers in stock all the time and nobody buys them. Mission, there some huge floor standing Pioneer's in there, they look circa 1980's. I love the look of them in all honesty but I don't have the room. Each under 45 quid.
There is a whole Denon separate mini hifi system in there, it has been on the shelf for the last 8 months because the price is just so wrong for what is old technology, it is just a brand that carries it.

If I had room I would buy the Pioneer's, not because I think I would get better audio but purely for aesthetic reasons, they are awesome and imposing.

They look close to these I found in a search..

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I would love to go larger, it would remove the need for a subwoofer, I don't have floor space which is why the speakers are purposely built to be applied in a small location, the subwoofer I have just brings back the lows lost.

Does anyone here think the lows are over done?

Listen again... Skip to 1:49 and let Killswitch Engage play, listen to the instruments and what instruments are being picked up by the subwoofer.



Now listen to it here...



Now with that comparison, tell me you are not hearing 99% of what is there.
The last increase in quality is literally tiny.


Forgot to add, I use these from Wilko https://www.wilko.com/en-uk/wilko-18-pack-30mm-round-foam-floor-protectors/p/0344753

I have 2 stacked in each corner of both speakers, zero noise.
 
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And for anyone who thinks their mother board audio is good, this the test.

My board apparently has the following:

130dB SNR AMP-UP Audio with High-End ESS SABRE 9218 DAC, ALC1220-VB and WIMA Audio Capacitors

If its crap they make it sound pretty good, the board is very expensive though so it better be half decent.
 
My board apparently has the following:

130dB SNR AMP-UP Audio with High-End ESS SABRE 9218 DAC, ALC1220-VB and WIMA Audio Capacitors

If its crap they make it sound pretty good, the board is very expensive though so it better be half decent.

What motherboard is it, it's possible it has very good audio.

All my gigabyte motherboard audio has been poor, however yours sounds like it might be very good.
 
What motherboard is it, it's possible it has very good audio.

All my gigabyte motherboard audio has been poor, however yours sounds like it might be very good.

Its a trx40 auros master. It's even got a Precise TXC Oscillator.. whatever that is.
 
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