Lucked out
This board does sound much better than my old board with the same audio setup.300 GBP tops and insane audio... though it will destroy your neighbours sanity.
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Lucked out
This board does sound much better than my old board with the same audio setup.
For the lol's.. what distortion really sounds like.
Other side of my room so you get the "full image" 1 quarter volume.
My mic is on suicide watch after this.
Seems my Snowball mic is actually worse than my phone... LOL can't handle the audio pressure.
Sub moving a small amount, speakers laughing at me.
Other side of my room so you get the "full image" 1 quarter volume.
My mic is on suicide watch after this.
Seems my Snowball mic is actually worse than my phone... LOL can't handle the audio pressure.
Sub moving a small amount, speakers laughing at me.
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like for like the slicks were better subs. definitely sounded better sealed. The drivers are buitl better as well, not generic baskets like the pulse range. Bigger magnets, better power handling. If anything, vibe have gone backwards. As difficult as that is to believe for what was already a budget brand.
At least a little interesting ...
Generic...
And yeah, still dont believe you. Considering the crap you've come out with in this thread already, i've no reason to believe anything else you say.
You are missing an important part too, the Slick subs are rubber and made out of plastics, the Pulse sub is paper and very lightweight.
This is not the best thing to use, but they mention the reasons for why the Pulse is so basic, yes costs less but at the same time, the 400w RMS will be more efficient than a heavier material with higher power, plus this sub being lightweight means it fails to sound too sloppy, which is maybe why the larger box can be used.
Always wondered why the other ones used such small boxes? Sloppy bass means the cone has less control, a smaller box can help to contain the sub at the expense of not hitting lower and cutting off maximum excursion.
Vibe were always known for tight bass, not exactly low bass which the Pulse manages.
There is another version with the Black Death's Black Hole dust Cap technology strengthening the cone and has 2 ports rather than one.. no idea how that sounds.
You say Vibe have gone backwards... if anything they seem to be delivering products with no nonsense behind them any more.
They also have an SPL range which is the Black Air and Black Death range.
The 2 full range speakers are paper also with inverted tweeters.
https://www.focal.com/en/car-audio/car-audio-kits-solutions/performance/auditor/coaxial-kits/rcx-130
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Soldato
Oh dude just stop
The v4, v6 and v7 pulses use polypropylene cones. That's plastic, Tired9. Only the v0 from what i can see uses a paper case and yours isnt a v0.
https://vibeaudio.co.uk/product/pulse12-v7-12-inch-subwoofer
IMPP. Injection Moulded Polypropylene.
It's quite likely the exact same cone on the Pulse v7's that they used on the old slicks. Not that there's anything wrong with PP - it's very low absorption and rigidity makes it a very good cone material for uses in potentially damp environments which is why just about every manufacturer uses it in at least some of their drivers. it's popular for a reason.
Pulse is no different in that respect. Infact it's geared towards efficient output, not fidelity. That's why it's in a small (around 1.5cu/ft) ported box with a high Fs. Not sure exactly but that port is what, 4" wide and 6" long? i wouldnt be surprised if the box tuning is 40hz or higher. Nothing wrong with that, either, but it's not the subsonic wonder sub you are claiming it is, and neither was it marketed as such. It's marketed exactly the same as all the older stuff you are pretending it sounds soo much better than
For general information, the slick s12's had a VAS of around 3.1cu/ft, which is larger than the boxes they typically came in. That's generally the case for most car prepackaged cheap car subwoofers as they are are compromise between fidelity, output and size. Don't confuse the boxes they typically came in with the optimal size for the drivers.
Regardless, though, this is all immaterial anyway when ever the cheapest subs from the like of BK Elec would show all of these cheap car subs a pair of clean heels on all but outright output. They are, of course, more expensive though. So you'd expect that.
Anyway, you'd get much more bottom end if you used a bigger, sealed sub instead of a small (and, yes, it is SMALL regardless of whether the old ported slick enclosures were smaller or not) ported sub with a high FS.
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@james.miller fair play for talking to a brick wall for this long.
Call me silly for thinking the Auditors were paper, they feel completely like paper unless they are a different revision, but they have the inverted tweeters so possibly not. My bad.
The Sub though is the paper cone version, I have pulled it out before, the rear of the Pulse is not the one you can buy off the shelf with the boot on the magnet and the two terminals are not there, it is a solderded wiring job, the driver for whatever reason is rated at 400w RMS in the box but the enclosure with sub is rated as 300w RMS on the website which is even more confusing.
They sell a so called 300w RMS sub package with a 400w RMS driver in it.
The cone is not plastic.. it's the exact Pulse CBR you saw in that marketing material I posted LOL.
I did say this hits pretty low, it's goes to around 27hz, it could be that the room helps it a bit I don't know, it is certainly not loud at 27hz, it is just that it is audible and not just mechanical / air noise you hear.
I can see how you think I am a brick wall but you are also basing your thoughts on theoretical stuff and because you believe, not that you actually know or even care to entertain the idea that something is not what you say it is.
It would be helpful if reviews were done for stuff like this, but all you find are dimwits banging them really loud in a boot of a car etc, so no help there is there?
I did fill my enclosure with fiber wool, it helps to smooth out the transients, it is not just a hollow box and yeah it hits lower after using that stuff.
Little note for you, that sub you linked says 1200, mine says 900 and has a higher RMS figure.
The Sub though is the paper cone version, I have pulled it out before, the rear of the Pulse is not the one you can buy off the shelf with the boot on the magnet and the two terminals are not there, it is a solderded wiring job, the driver for whatever reason is rated at 400w RMS in the box but the enclosure with sub is rated as 300w RMS on the website which is even more confusing.
They sell a so called 300w RMS sub package with a 400w RMS driver in it.
The cone is not plastic.. it's the exact Pulse CBR you saw in that marketing material I posted LOL.
I did say this hits pretty low, it's goes to around 27hz, it could be that the room helps it a bit I don't know, it is certainly not loud at 27hz, it is just that it is audible and not just mechanical / air noise you hear.
I can see how you think I am a brick wall but you are also basing your thoughts on theoretical stuff and because you believe, not that you actually know or even care to entertain the idea that something is not what you say it is.
It would be helpful if reviews were done for stuff like this, but all you find are dimwits banging them really loud in a boot of a car etc, so no help there is there?
I did fill my enclosure with fiber wool, it helps to smooth out the transients, it is not just a hollow box and yeah it hits lower after using that stuff.
Little note for you, that sub you linked says 1200, mine says 900 and has a higher RMS figure.
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The only thing I can chalk this up to is that Vibe are using the same subwoofer base but changing the dust cap around on their Pulse / Slick range because if you look in the manual to the Slick CBR it is then rated at 400w RMS and 1200 peak.
https://vibeaudio.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/SLICK-CBR12-manual-140518.pdf
That would make sense because it reduces cost but the Slick may handle more than 400w RMS better than the Pulse because the cone is reinforced. So loses efficiency but can handle more power slightly.
So the Pulse range at least the CBR packages have the Slick subwoofer base with the Pulse cone, but the Slick CBR are the full Slick package with reinforced cone.
The only thing now that hits me is can the one I have actually handle 400w RMS? or is the voice coil going to start protruding?
As I said, I have never pushed it to max volume so I am in the dark there.
Vibe seem to be cutting manufacturing cost by using one design and falling back on a slightly stronger subwoofer base to fulfill at least some form of reliability.
This is the real Slick model. 500w RMS.
https://www.crowncustomscaraudio.co.../products/vibe-slick12d2-v0-12-inch-subwoofer
I could definitely upgrade to that, 500w RMS on a 400w RMS amp that was tested at being able to comfortably push 475w RMS at 1OHM certified is fine.
Though the JL seems a better driver.
https://www.crowncustomscaraudio.co...l-audio-jl12w1v3-2-12-w1-subwoofer-300w-2-ohm
https://vibeaudio.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/SLICK-CBR12-manual-140518.pdf
That would make sense because it reduces cost but the Slick may handle more than 400w RMS better than the Pulse because the cone is reinforced. So loses efficiency but can handle more power slightly.
So the Pulse range at least the CBR packages have the Slick subwoofer base with the Pulse cone, but the Slick CBR are the full Slick package with reinforced cone.
The only thing now that hits me is can the one I have actually handle 400w RMS? or is the voice coil going to start protruding?
As I said, I have never pushed it to max volume so I am in the dark there.
Vibe seem to be cutting manufacturing cost by using one design and falling back on a slightly stronger subwoofer base to fulfill at least some form of reliability.
This is the real Slick model. 500w RMS.
https://www.crowncustomscaraudio.co.../products/vibe-slick12d2-v0-12-inch-subwoofer
I could definitely upgrade to that, 500w RMS on a 400w RMS amp that was tested at being able to comfortably push 475w RMS at 1OHM certified is fine.
Though the JL seems a better driver.
https://www.crowncustomscaraudio.co...l-audio-jl12w1v3-2-12-w1-subwoofer-300w-2-ohm
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My Kef's HTS2001's have a range of 80Hz - 27 kHz. I'm going to be straight up controversial here but I played the recorded vids back to back against what mine reproduce in the same songs outside of youtube via spotify premium, trying to also account for youtube compression, quality of MIC etc etc etc... I recon 2 of my eggs alone give a cleaner sound than the video above especially in the mid notes, I dunno what it is but when I replay the ops vids I just get this mass of sound in the midrange that just isn't there this end outside of the ops vid. I think I will just have to assume that the way the op is recording is very much less than optimal otherwise I have to just assume it sounds pap which is not what the op is describing
I'm not even joking I spent about 30 mins playing "take my breath away" back to back.... Im really sorry op but tell me im wrong:
Id be happy to be told im wrong and why, even tell me im missing the lows but honestly at this point im onboard with going to get my sub out from under the stairs and seeing what it sounds like connected up and if it fills the mids out like in the ops video. Alternatively tell me what I already know and that a youtube (compressed) recording from a phone playing an already compressed youtube video is a shocking idea. I wanted to turn it up and be blown away but the opposite happened.
@op I think to prove some epic sound quality we need to do a whole lot better than a youtube video
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My Kef's HTS2001's have a range of 80Hz - 27 kHz. I'm going to be straight up controversial here but I played the recorded vids back to back against what mine reproduce in the same songs outside of youtube via spotify premium, trying to also account for youtube compression, quality of MIC etc etc etc... I recon 2 of my eggs alone give a cleaner sound than the video above especially in the mid notes, I dunno what it is but when I replay the ops vids I just get this mass of sound in the midrange that just isn't there this end outside of the ops vid. I think I will just have to assume that the way the op is recording is very much less than optimal otherwise I have to just assume it sounds pap which is not what the op is describing
I'm not even joking I spent about 30 mins playing "take my breath away" back to back.... Im really sorry op but tell me im wrong:
Id be happy to be told im wrong and why, even tell me im missing the lows but honestly at this point im onboard with going to get my sub out from under the stairs and seeing what it sounds like connected up and if it fills the mids out like in the ops video. Alternatively tell me what I already know and that a youtube (compressed) recording from a phone playing an already compressed youtube video is a shocking idea. I wanted to turn it up and be blown away but the opposite happened.
Its mostly this.
A comparison, this channel does a reasonably decent job at comparing speakers in a more controlled manner:
Works best with headphones, and the format only works because it it gives a comparison between two relatively comparable speakers, and the reference track.
You see that's bloody awesome and absolutely does show significant differences in sound reproduction/quality between them two speakers even playing via my amp/speakers, two very different sounds and neither of them sound at all bad, just different. I will be honest I was expecting this kind of comparison when playing the ops vid but all I seem to get is this wall of sound. As you have highlighted im blaming the conditions etc because the ops does not sound good here compared to any reference point I have.
I said use good headphones because most people don't have speakers that will go even below 50hz let alone near 30.
Speakers that can do 27hz will cost an arm and a leg without a sub.
In fairness too, it depends on the microphones ability.
I use Presonus Eris 3.5's at my desktop, these are more detailed in the mid range vs the setup with the TV, in fact it might be better pairing them with the sub.
Speakers that can do 27hz will cost an arm and a leg without a sub.
In fairness too, it depends on the microphones ability.
I use Presonus Eris 3.5's at my desktop, these are more detailed in the mid range vs the setup with the TV, in fact it might be better pairing them with the sub.
Doesn't matter to me it actually sounds even worse in my soundmagic e80c's, then worse again if I put it on my floorstanders in the lounge.... so much "sound" in the mid that just shouldn't be there/isnt there on my setups. I can pull my mission sub from under the stairs and re-do it if you want? I promise though that will just make it sound worse still I recon.
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I hear you, your speakers at the desktop pretty much resemble closely how my Presonus Eris's sound, accurate precise audio.
I will have a mess around later and get my AVR receiver out and do a test on the mid range without the sub woofer and see if I can get anything more out of those two speakers, I do have some Denon I can switch up with and see how they play.
As I said it could just be the crappy youtube compression... there must be a better way!
Recorded the Presonus Eris 3.5's.. these have won awards, they are on stock settings with no EQ's or anything and in fairness I played it back, it seems to be the microphone on my phone causing such heavy mids as it sounds much worse after playing it back.
https://www.presonus.com/products/Eris-E35
https://www.presonus.com/products/Eris-E35
Blue snowball mic using OBS and placed between the two speakers in the air.
No wonder you lot think I am ************, mic's can't even reproduce what it sounds like, sucks.
No wonder you lot think I am ************, mic's can't even reproduce what it sounds like, sucks.
There is barely any difference recorded back between the TV setup and the Presonus Eris setup.
The TV setup though has much lower bass notes extending from the sound track and the subwoofer adds an obvious presence.
Perhaps the microphone is picking up room faults better than my ears can?
In person this is very balanced, but in the recording it is heavily bass biased.
The TV setup though has much lower bass notes extending from the sound track and the subwoofer adds an obvious presence.
Perhaps the microphone is picking up room faults better than my ears can?
In person this is very balanced, but in the recording it is heavily bass biased.
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So its going to look something like this with the big Jamo under the table ... hoping for a big improvement over crappy little logitech 2.1 system. The Missions are over 20 years old now but always liked them. Rear port so will have to bung up as against wall?
I repurposed my old Mission m72s as well recently. Owned from new since about 2003. I used to have the whole m72 surround setup but sold off the front and rears. In my lounge now I have a very low profile (wife friendly) 5.1 setup using Kef T series on the wall and a BK sub hidden away.
These old speakers still sound great. They've survived many a house move despite taking damage externally later touched up. I still have the speaker grills for mine somewhere but think they look better without. For a while they gathered dust in my loft as I just couldn't be doing with yet another bulky, power sapping leftover AVR or Class A/B amp in my summer house/office. Then I came across these class D small 2.0 or 2.1 amps out there. After reading a load of reviews (none are perfect) I settled on this little Loxjie A30 amp. At half volume the m72s absolutely sing more than loud enough to fill the whole shed and the garden if I open the doors, let alone near field stuff, all whilst consuming under 2 watts. Yes I mean when in use 2 watts not standby. Better than any cheap "PC speaker" setup imo.
I've been considering looking at inverting them (as in upside down) to raise the height of the tweeters nearer to my ears, but not sure if the sound field has been designed to have the woofer below the tweeter. May also get some stands. I know they are not perfect being up in a corner and not pointed in perfectly but to me they sound ace and I'm quite happy with them. I have not bunged up the rear ports as I don't run a sub with these and enjoy them dropping and booming as listen to bass heavy stuff sometimes.
The amp does bluetooth if I want, and is connected via usb to a hub/switch which is shared between laptop and desktop. Also has aux input hooked into the echo for Alexa streaming and multiroom duties.
What do you think about running them upside down and/or getting some stands to raise them slightly? Would change the mission logo to match.
