39 Bodies found in Lorry in Essex

[R.P.L]

Depressing, uninformed, selfish point of view

I guess that some people, as they pursue their first-world fascination with overclocking have absolutely no insight or compassion for anyone else.

On the other hand, they may not have any ambition or have Mothers, Fathers, siblings or any dependents for whom they have any concern whatsoever.

Why have sympathy for people who knowingly put themselves in harm's way?

 

[AHarvey]

Depressing, uninformed, selfish point of view

I guess that some people, as they pursue their first-world fascination with overclocking have absolutely no insight or compassion for anyone else.

On the other hand, they may not have any ambition or have Mothers, Fathers, siblings or any dependents for whom they have any concern whatsoever.

Not really, for me I don't feel anything towards the situation, I don't know them, I can't relate to it.

Remember the young child that washed up on a beach? that got me, I had a kid the same age, there was something to link that to me and it hit me.

9/11 - again, it may seem heartless but they are just numbers to me, there's no emotional link to myself.

 

[neckbeardthethird]

Not really, for me I don't feel anything towards the situation, I don't know them, I can't relate to it.

Remember the young child that washed up on a beach? that got me, I had a kid the same age, there was something to link that to me and it hit me.

9/11 - again, it may seem heartless but they are just numbers to me, there's no emotional link to myself.

Right, but he said he feels no sympathy. No one is saying you have to be in tears over it but it seems quite odd to not have sympathy towards 39 people suffocating to death because they wanted to seek a better life in our country. Yes what they did was illegal and none of it would have happened if they had stayed at home but that doesn't mean one can't feel sympathy towards the victims... they died in horrific circumstances. Having said that sympathy isn't worth much to dead people...

 

[danlightbulb]

Its an odd situation this. Are those that died victims? Not really, as it was by their own hand really, although obviously other factors involved too.

Is it manslaughter if you place yourself in a high risk position? Can you manslaughter yourself? They had a reckless disregard for their own lives by embarking on the trip.

 

[dowie]

For 20 grand you'd think they'd perhaps just book a language course with one of those "colleges" located above a chicken shop and then just pay for a flight over here and overstay...

 

[dowie]

Is it manslaughter if you place yourself in a high risk position? Can you manslaughter yourself? They had a reckless disregard for their own lives by embarking on the trip.

I don't think so, at least suicide isn't murder anymore and/or attempted suicide isn't attempted murder so I don't think accidentally killing yourself by doing something risky would be manslaughter... could well be wrong though.

 

[jsmoke]

Right, but he said he feels no sympathy. No one is saying you have to be in tears over it but it seems quite odd to not have sympathy towards 39 people suffocating to death because they wanted to seek a better life in our country. Yes what they did was illegal and none of it would have happened if they had stayed at home but that doesn't mean one can't feel sympathy towards the victims... they died in horrific circumstances. Having said that sympathy isn't worth much to dead people...

Will sympathy get you into heaven?

 

[StriderX]

Will sympathy get you into heaven?

It should lower your blood pressure, constant anger at the world can only shorten your life.

 

[Usher]

And you know how the families of the dead felt about it how exactly?
Oh, that's right, you don't know aught; let's blame the victims

Get real, you think that the victims families didn't know their relatives were doing this? that in many cases will have helped put up some of the money?

The victims do have themselves to blame

 

[danlightbulb]

I don't think so, at least suicide isn't murder anymore and/or attempted suicide isn't attempted murder so I don't think accidentally killing yourself by doing something risky would be manslaughter... could well be wrong though.

Yeah it feels like there is a missing category here.

They didnt intend to kill themselves, so suicide or attempted suicide is not applicable. But simple accidental death doesnt do justice to the risk they placed themselves in, where there was a high probability of death.

Accidental suicide? Perhaps a good middle ground. Or self-manslaughter.

 

[Destination]

For 20 grand you'd think they'd perhaps just book a language course with one of those "colleges" located above a chicken shop and then just pay for a flight over here and overstay...

My wife read something, currently uncorroborated, that suggested the viet girl may have been previous deported after doing just what you suggest, so couldn't use her documents again for entry.

 

[StriderX]

Get real, you think that the victims families didn't know their relatives were doing this? that in many cases will have helped put up some of the money?

The victims do have themselves to blame

I doubt their victims families knew they'd die in an airtight container at least, if even the PM can muster the will to sign a book of condolence and the police bow their head at the needless loss of life, i think you can muster some sadness.

 

[Scania]

For 20 grand you'd think they'd perhaps just book a language course with one of those "colleges" located above a chicken shop and then just pay for a flight over here and overstay...

This is what I can’t get my head around either, the staff in my local Chinese takeaway were saying pretty much the same thing last night when we were talking about it (they know me and know I’m a truck driver) they weren’t sympathetic at all , maybe because the victims were Vietnamese? I don’t know nor did I press the point.
Edit:

My wife read something, currently uncorroborated, that suggested the viet girl may have been previous deported after doing just what you suggest, so couldn't use her documents again for entry.

Come to think about it, wasn’t that the girl who’s last texts they published ? Fairly sure it was her, so I guess that’s it then.

First attempt legitimately but unsuccessful, second attempt illegal and we know the rest alas.

 

[dowie]

My wife read something, currently uncorroborated, that suggested the viet girl may have been previous deported after doing just what you suggest, so couldn't use her documents again for entry.

Ah, that makes more sense then.

 

[jsmoke]

Yeah it feels like there is a missing category here.

They didnt intend to kill themselves, so suicide or attempted suicide is not applicable. But simple accidental death doesnt do justice to the risk they placed themselves in, where there was a high probability of death.

Accidental suicide? Perhaps a good middle ground. Or self-manslaughter.

Involuntary manslaughter.

 

[danlightbulb]

Involuntary manslaughter.

Doesnt work as they volunteered themselves to the situation. Involuntary suggests they had no involvement in their own deaths.

 

[jsmoke]

Doesnt work as they volunteered themselves to the situation. Involuntary suggests they had no involvement in their own deaths.

I was half being stupid. It's an oxymoron.

 

[R.P.L]

This is what I can’t get my head around either, the staff in my local Chinese takeaway were saying pretty much the same thing last night when we were talking about it (they know me and know I’m a truck driver) they weren’t sympathetic at all , maybe because the victims were Vietnamese? I don’t know nor did I press the point.
Edit:

Come to think about it, wasn’t that the girl who’s last texts they published ? Fairly sure it was her, so I guess that’s it then.

First attempt legitimately but unsuccessful, second attempt illegal and we know the rest alas.

If it was as described then it's hardly legitimate.

 

[AHarvey]

Right, but he said he feels no sympathy. No one is saying you have to be in tears over it but it seems quite odd to not have sympathy towards 39 people suffocating to death because they wanted to seek a better life in our country. Yes what they did was illegal and none of it would have happened if they had stayed at home but that doesn't mean one can't feel sympathy towards the victims... they died in horrific circumstances. Having said that sympathy isn't worth much to dead people...

I can't feel sympathy towards someone/something unless I can feel something towards it, unless I can link it to my own life and experiences.

I don't know if that is because of what I've been through in my life or my borderline personality.

I just seems kind of pointless and fake to me as I can't understand it.

Yet, I'll go out of my way to help people in my life even if I don't know them that well.

I accept that may be difficult for some to understand but I find it out to have any feelings towards people you don't know. Certainly doesn't make anyone wrong or bad for that, we're all just different

 

[Schlong&Stable]

Depressing, uninformed, selfish point of view

I guess that some people, as they pursue their first-world fascination with overclocking have absolutely no insight or compassion for anyone else.

On the other hand, they may not have any ambition or have Mothers, Fathers, siblings or any dependents for whom they have any concern whatsoever.

Yawn.

I have no sympathy for criminals who die in the pursuit of their criminal activity. That isn't to say that what happened isn't tragic, of course it is and I hope those responsible are dealt with harshly. But they took these measures to evade our laws, to walk through our borders without a care for their existence. So why should I shed tears for them? I'll save my compassion for victims, not criminals.

I guarantee that the overwhelming majority of people who wail about what an injustice this was will not spare more than a few minutes thinking about it. They sure as hell won't do anything about it. The only difference between me and them is I am not desperate to signal my virtue. I'm not a hypocrite.