400,000 graduate jobs

Amp34 · 13 Jan 2009 at 22:17

I guess it's slightly different in the US? But yeay I think it really depends on the uni, modern uni's (inc. mine) I think tend to make finance/economics a doss subject but the old uni tend to make them very saught after.

EDIT: Gawd my keyboard skills are rubbish...

yantorsen · 13 Jan 2009 at 22:17

Am I wasting my time then doing what I was going to do, a BA(Hons) Architecture?

LiE · 13 Jan 2009 at 22:18

I started University doing a computer science degree. Took me a while to realise how pointless and irrelevant most of the material was. I thought it could be the University itself so I change to find the same thing. So I dropped out and managed to find a job with training. That was a year ago, I'm now on £33k. Best decision ever.

Amp34 · 13 Jan 2009 at 22:18

yantorsen said:
Am I wasting my time then doing what I was going to do, a BA(Hons) Architecture?

Yes and no...

Do a proper course instead, like civil engineering.

yantorsen · 13 Jan 2009 at 22:20

Amp34 said:
Yes and no...

Do a proper course instead, like civil engineering.

Naaaa

Civil engineering isn't as glamorous and it's much more maths based, I hate maths.

yantorsen · 13 Jan 2009 at 22:25

Moses99p said:
Hi there,

Architecture's going to be glamourous? You do realise you're going to be drawing house extensions for the rest of your life, right?

Hi, heh

Well I'd hope to get a bit further than that, perhaps design some public buildings, etc. At least it means you get to travel though and not be stuck in an office every day of the week.

BigglesPiP · 13 Jan 2009 at 22:27

If you want a guaranteed job, Power System Engineering is the way.

There is a huge shortage in the industry, and there are so few people doing the course that they're pushing its modules out to other courses.

Amp34 · 13 Jan 2009 at 22:29

yantorsen said:
Naaaa

Civil engineering isn't as glamorous and it's much more maths based, I hate maths.

*Architect*: *daydreams and doodles on paper*

goes to civil engineer with ludicrous plan...

*Architect*: "I want to build this!"
*Civil engineer*: "WTF! you want me to design and build that?" :eek:

Civil engineer designs and builds building

*Opening ceremony*: "And we congratulate 'Talentless Architects' of london for this beautiful building!"
*Civil engineer sitting in the back row*: *cries*

RandomTom · 13 Jan 2009 at 22:29

msm722 said:
I started University doing a computer science degree. Took me a while to realise how pointless and irrelevant most of the material was. I thought it could be the University itself so I change to find the same thing. So I dropped out and managed to find a job with training. That was a year ago, I'm now on £33k. Best decision ever.

Skills mate, nice.

I study Business & Advertising at 'Laughable Lincoln' which I enjoy, but there's not as much work as I would like, granted I chose it based on the architecture, image and potential rather than prospects; because I can see how most people are seen to be dossers here, but it all depends on the person. I'm considering an MA in Management, purely for the interest and the long term gain at say Sheffield, Loughbourough or Warwick if I'm successful enough to apply.

I definitely agree there are way too many people with degrees these days, and they're too easy to do. I think the minimum UCAS points for entry should maybe be 280/300 = B,B,C grades.

Alex_L · 13 Jan 2009 at 22:38

Mulder said:
You don't think that studying accounting shows an interest whilst also giving you an immediate advantage over other candidates who have no background of accounting?

Just because you can get ACA trained having not studied accounting doesn't means it's "a bit pointless." It stands you out from the crowd and develops your knowledge earlier so you have an easier time working your way through the (extremely difficult) ACA exams.

I'm studying for the ACA and I fail to see the benefit in doing an accounting degree. It seems to get you about 6 exemptions from the ICAEW in general, and the graduate programmes at the big 4 are all structured to assume no knowledge, so all it mean is your life may be a bit easier in the first year imo as you don't have to study and work. In all honesty i don't think the exams are that difficult either imo.

I think if you want to go into professional services, you'd be better doing another degree and getting a better breadth of knowledge.

Nzyme · 13 Jan 2009 at 22:55

yantorsen said:
Well I'd hope to get a bit further than that, perhaps design some public buildings, etc. At least it means you get to travel though and not be stuck in an office every day of the week.

I think you might need some higher qualifications to get in with the big architects like Foster

Gommsta · 13 Jan 2009 at 22:57

There seem to be an awful lot of experts in this thread.

Any opinion on this will be subjective and based on whether you did or did not go to university, what university you attended and what degree subject you read.

Success in life is down to the ability and application of the person. A degree is not a prerequisite for success. However, for certain professions then it may well be impossible to enter your chosen field without a particular degree (e.g. medicine) , and your ease of transition into this field will be governed by the results you achieve in your course. (Did you have ability, did you apply yourself)?

The best of luck to those looking for jobs, don't be too proud or stupid to accept something you may think is beneath you. It may be the foot in the door needed to catapult your career to new levels. Any job is better than none.

Locke · 13 Jan 2009 at 22:58

Good thread, was a nice read..

msm722 said:
I started University doing a computer science degree. Took me a while to realise how pointless and irrelevant most of the material was. I thought it could be the University itself so I change to find the same thing. So I dropped out and managed to find a job with training. That was a year ago, I'm now on £33k. Best decision ever.

That doesn't do any good for me considering I'm doing Computer Science :O

Reading the thread though, guessing I chose a decent subject, hate all those "wannabe" degrees.

JIM_BOB7813 · 13 Jan 2009 at 23:03

msm722 said:
I started University doing a computer science degree. Took me a while to realise how pointless and irrelevant most of the material was. I thought it could be the University itself so I change to find the same thing. So I dropped out and managed to find a job with training. That was a year ago, I'm now on £33k. Best decision ever.

What line of work are you in and who is your employer if you don't mind me asking?

DB_SamX · 13 Jan 2009 at 23:07

yantorsen said:
Hi, heh

Well I'd hope to get a bit further than that, perhaps design some public buildings, etc. At least it means you get to travel though and not be stuck in an office every day of the week.

You'll be designing drain drainwater pipe arrangements if you are lucky to get a job atm, and get paid pittance when starting

. Long hours in the office, with the odd trip to meetings on site. It's not as glamourous as it seems when you start off.

lemonkettaz · 13 Jan 2009 at 23:09

I can't wait til im involved in designing heating systems in a building.

AWWW YEH! pipes

DB_SamX · 13 Jan 2009 at 23:11

lemonkettaz said:
I can't wait til im involved in designing heating systems in a building.

AWWW YEH! pipes

Make sure you subscribe to "Building Services" magazine; it's a hoot.

yantorsen · 13 Jan 2009 at 23:13

Amp34 said:
*Architect*: *daydreams and doodles on paper*

goes to civil engineer with ludicrous plan...

*Architect*: "I want to build this!"
*Civil engineer*: "WTF! you want me to design and build that?"

Civil engineer designs and builds building

*Opening ceremony*: "And we congratulate 'Talentless Architects' of london for this beautiful building!"
*Civil engineer sitting in the back row*: *cries*

Architecture is much more appealing to me as it's creative, you can travel, and it can be well paid.

yantorsen · 13 Jan 2009 at 23:14

Nzyme said:
I think you might need some higher qualifications to get in with the big architects like Foster

Yeah I'm not planning on just doing the BA(Hons) I'll do the follow up course as well.

lemonkettaz · 13 Jan 2009 at 23:14

BSJ?

I get that one, although its changing to CIBSE Journal i think, just a perk of being a member of CIBSE lol