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4080 or 7900XTX

The 4090 is a good shout though, especially if you don't upgrade for years and years. It's expensive, but in today's world of mad prices, it's actually the card that makes the most sense. If I was spending over £1000 on a GPU, I would just go all out and buy the 4090.

If you are set on choosing between the 7900XTX and the 4080. It really is a wash for the most part. If you mainly play popular titles on a single screen then the 7900XTX will be fine. However, if you use multi monitor setups, VR or like the idea of Ray Tracing, then the 4080 is the way to go.

For most raster games, there will be very little difference between the two cards. There will be some games that will perform better on the 7900XTX, some will perform better on the 4080.

I have no interest in the AMD vs Nvidia nonsense either. If both cards are available at the same price, I would get the 4080. As JediFragger said above, It's just a better all around package.

The 4080 is more power efficient, if that makes any difference to you.
I aim to spend about 2K as a limit and that includes a monitor. I'm looking at the MSI 4K monitor and that's about 900. I was looking at the Sapphire 7900XTX Nitro and that is hovering between 1100 and 1130. I just looked at the 4080s this morning and it kind of upset my plan lol! As they are basically the same price. The last cards have been a 2080 Super and the original Titan which held up amazingly well at 1080P. But with a new PC I want to go 4K. 350 on top is just a bit too much. Maybe not financially but morally for me! My new build so far cost about 1650, so 1500 for one component just seems a bit outlandish to be fair!
 
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The 4090 is a good shout though, especially if you don't upgrade for years and years. It's expensive, but in today's world of mad prices, it's actually the card that makes the most sense. If I was spending over £1000 on a GPU, I would just go all out and buy the 4090.

If you are set on choosing between the 7900XTX and the 4080. It really is a wash for the most part. If you mainly play popular titles on a single screen then the 7900XTX will be fine. However, if you use multi monitor setups, VR or like the idea of Ray Tracing, then the 4080 is the way to go.

For most raster games, there will be very little difference between the two cards. There will be some games that will perform better on the 7900XTX, some will perform better on the 4080.

I have no interest in the AMD vs Nvidia nonsense either. If both cards are available at the same price, I would get the 4080. As JediFragger said above, It's just a better all around package.

The 4080 is more power efficient, if that makes any difference to you.

Personally if the RTX4080/RX7900XTX are around £1200 and an RTX4090 is around £1500,I would prefer the RTX4090. I know Nvidia is upselling the RTX4090 in this way,but if you are already spending well over a £1000 it's not much of a stretch. I think the RX7900XT if closer to £700 seems a better bet over an RX7900XT/RTX4080,even though it really should have been under £700 at launch. It is "slower" but I don't think they are worth £400 more.


Hells yeah!!!

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So not even for COD6 or FC6,where AMD outperforms Nvidia cards? Or are you suggesting people to buy an RTX3050 over a cheaper RX6600 or an RTX3060 over an RX6700XT,or even an RTX3060TI over an RX6800? All based on one game,which Nvidia sponsored.
Who's deciding their GPU purchase based on Far Cry 6? lol And I say that being an actual fan of it. Besides we're not in a topic advising a COD-only gamer.
The real difference is in unplayable vs playable (f.ex RT heavy games) rather than 160 fps vs 180 fps in something like a COD.
And yes I would 100% choose the Nvidia GPU in the first two scenarios. 3rd one was actually my real one but in 2020 and then the 6800 made more sense. Today it's not vs 3060Ti but 4060 Ti 16 GB so that's an easy choice for Nvidia again. And no, it's not one game, it's almost every game with RT, that's the issue. Plus DLSS 3.
 
Who's deciding their GPU purchase based on Far Cry 6? lol And I say that being an actual fan of it. Besides we're not in a topic advising a COD-only gamer.
The real difference is in unplayable vs playable (f.ex RT heavy games) rather than 160 fps vs 180 fps in something like a COD.
And yes I would 100% choose the Nvidia GPU in the first two scenarios. 3rd one was actually my real one but in 2020 and then the 6800 made more sense. Today it's not vs 3060Ti but 4060 Ti 16 GB so that's an easy choice for Nvidia again. And no, it's not one game, it's almost every game with RT, that's the issue. Plus DLSS 3.

You are the one who said:

There's no reason to buy an AMD GPU in 2023, least of all RDNA 3.

So that means by extension even the £150 GTX1650 4GB you can still buy. Or the RTX3050,RTX3060,etc.

So if AMD has an advantage is not worth it,but if Nvidia has one it is.

I know nobody who still plays Cyberpunk 2077. It's a game from late 2020 and everyone I know finished it the year before last:

Cyberpunk 2077 is at number 81 on the Steam played list. Far Cry 6 is slightly above it,and COD is in the top 20. This is what happens when you spend too much time obsessing over one game on a tech forum. So yes there are totally a lot of reasons to buy an AMD card for a normal person.

The RTX3050 costs more than an RX6600XT/RX6650XT and an RTX3060 costs the same as RX6700XT(they also tend to be better or similar in most RT enabled games too). In the US the RTX3050 is the same price as the RX6700 10GB.


In UE5 with hardware RT,the RX6700XT is massively faster than the RTX3060.


The RX6600XT is faster in almost all scenarios.

Then what about the RTX4060 and RTX4060TI? All that RT performance won't mean much if they run out of VRAM. Now you are trying to sell a £500 RTX4060TI 16GB? You might as well buy an RTX4070 12GB then.

So in your world you think that the GTX1650, RTX3050,RTX3060 and RTX4060TI 16GB are fantastic buys. I will leave you to it then!

BTW:

#Summer of #RTXON.
 
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I know nobody who still plays Cyberpunk 2077. It's a game from late 2020 and everyone I know finished it the year before last:

Cyberpunk 2077 is at number 81 on the Steam played list. Far Cry 6 is slightly above it,and COD is in the top 20. This is what happens when you spend too much time obsessing over one game on a tech forum.

Lol what a silly comparison/statement again....

Know nobody who plays cp 2077 yet link to steam which shows a peak of 12/13k players today alone :cry:

Reason FC 6 is higher is because it was recently free and on sale, player count generally goes up when this kind of thing happens.

COD, seriously, is it any surprise, it's in the top 20.

Yes, I agree, poneros statement of "no reason to buy rdna 3" is silly too but you're missing the point he is making and as usual, disregarding all of the very valid and strong advantages that nvidia offer over rdna 3 currently, which is many games nowadays..... sorry I forget, have to look to games that came out 4+ years ago and discount any from the past 1-2 years and all future titles.
 
If you're going to spend that kind of silly money on a GPU you might as well go balls out and get a 4090. 4080 and 7900 XTX represent a bit of a weird place in terms of being around a grand but not even being the best thing you can buy.

Its why I suggested the RTX4090 at £1500 over the RX7900XTX/RTX4080. Quite surprised people hadn't noticed it.

#Summer of #RTXON.
 
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There's no reason to buy an AMD GPU in 2023, least of all RDNA 3. Best case scenario for 7900 XTX is it being 20% faster in a Call of Duty game, but then 4080 has scenarios where it is more than 5 TIMES faster than it. 16 GB is also more than enough for whatever you want to play with the card, at least for this console generation of games. There's just no contest anymore.

But if he is going to keep it 12 years I would go 7900 XTX personally.

But yeah, generally I agree with what you are saying. AMD should slash the price of the 7900 XTX to £699 imo. And in the meantime go employ a team to sort FSR out.
 
I was also deciding between the XTX and the 4080 but in the end I decided that the value for money is just not there and I got a 7900XT. Also expensive, but much better VFM, imo.
 
But if he is going to keep it 12 years I would go 7900 XTX personally.

But yeah, generally I agree with what you are saying. AMD should slash the price of the 7900 XTX to £699 imo. And in the meantime go employ a team to sort FSR out.

Given how bad RDNA 2 has aged with RT (which whether people like it or not, is a thing now and for the future), I'm not so sure about that tbh :p RDNA 3 is also pretty damn poor for the "future" especially if/when path tracing becomes a thing:

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You are the one who said: "There's no reason to buy an AMD GPU in 2023, least of all RDNA 3."
Correct, I stand by it in the context of this thread. I mention that because of course, if we want to be pedantic, there exists at least a reason to buy AMD over Nvidia, like if you hate Nvidia, or you find it at a major discount, or you're doing something with ROCm etc.
So that means by extension even the £150 GTX1650 4GB you can still buy. Or the RTX3050,RTX3060,etc.
That does not follow.
So if AMD has an advantage is not worth it,but if Nvidia has one it is.
This also does not follow. It's not about an advantage, it's about the sum total.
I know nobody who still plays Cyberpunk 2077. It's a game from late 2020 and everyone I know finished it the year before last:
The advantages aren't only existent in CP2077.

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The RTX3050 costs more than an RX6600XT/RX6650XT
Correct. It's about 20%ish more than a 6600 but slightly under a 6650 XT in most of EU that I'm looking at. Plus Nvidia has better memory management so I'd have less of a problem with them at 8 GB for 1080p than the 6600. Would I say the DLSS advantage is worth 20% plus all the other smaller extras (RT, encoder, memory management) etc.? Yes. Hypothetically of course; in reality I wouldn't buy either card unless I was forced to and in 2023 we now have 4060.
and an RTX3060 costs the same as RX6700XT(they also tend to be better or similar in most RT enabled games too).
The 3060 is cheaper than the 6700 XT and has better RT AND better upscaling, as well as more efficient. 6700 XT still has a noticeable advantage in raster, but then it's a question of trade-offs and game selection. It was a much better positioned card vs 3060 Ti/3070(Ti) because 12 GB of vram allowed it not to choke, plus it was cheaper. Versus the cheaper 3060 it's meh. More importantly that's now irrelevant because the 4060 will absolutely outpace it at $299 and there the 8 GB of vram is easier to stomach. Not a great situation either way.

In UE5 with hardware RT,the RX6700XT is massively faster than the RTX3060.
Correction: In Fortnite UE5 the 6700 XT is 20% faster IF you don't equalise for the image quality difference of DLSS compared to TSR. If you do then it's near equal.
Then what about the RTX4060 and RTX4060TI? All that RT performance won't mean much if they run out of VRAM.
What about them? They're still better value than Nvidia's last gen and AMD has nothing to compete with them because now it also has to deal with DLSS 3 and the RT gap is even larger, as well as AV1 encoding etc. AMD is looking to position the 7600 against the 4060 and for near the same price ($269 - i.e. $30 vs DLSS FG, Cuda, Reflex, better RT, better efficiency etc.). How is that in any way competitive? The 4060 Ti is definitely meh and I wouldn't recommend the 8 GB version but it's not like I can point to a better AMD card against it. Imo it's either 4060 or 4060 Ti 16GB. The 8 GB 4060 Ti is pointless.
Now you are trying to sell a £500 RTX4060TI 16GB?
I'm saying I'd rather get a £500 4060 Ti 16GB than a £500 6800/XT.
So in your world you think that the GTX1650, RTX3050,RTX3060 and RTX4060TI 16GB are fantastic buys.
I never said they're "fantastic buys". The only card that's a fantastic buy in its tier is the 4090. Everything else has too many compromises in their price class in order to qualify. Nonetheless if you want a GPU then you can only choose between what's available and not what we'd wish for.
 
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Given how bad RDNA 2 has aged with RT (which whether people like it or not, is a thing now and for the future), I'm not so sure about that tbh :p RDNA 3 is also pretty damn poor for the "future" especially if/when path tracing becomes a thing:

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But 12 years is a long time. At least he will be able to play with higher textures in 5 or so years later :cry:

And don't forget about fine wine :p

But fair point. I personally think both are way over priced. In his position if I had to upgrade I would grab a 4070 and use the money saved to grab a 5070 when that is out. You get current tech and it would still work out cheaper overall if you sell the 4070 when you buy the 5070.
 
But 12 years is a long time. At least he will be able to play with higher textures in 5 or so years later :cry:

And don't forget about fine wine :p

But fair point. I personally think both are way over priced. In his position if I had to upgrade I would grab a 4070 and use the money saved to grab a 5070 when that is out. You get current tech and it would still work out cheaper overall if you sell the 4070 when you buy the 5070.

Ah yes the fine wine that is still fermenting :D

But agree, 4070 is pretty decent value, get that or go big with the 4090 that will last a good while yet.
 
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If RTX/DLSS3 is of any importance, it's the 4080 all day long.



However, the 7900 XTX pulse got my money, here's why:

Having sent back a 4090 that was too long to fit, the 4080s with >2yr warranty(80's using the same 4090 coolers which are all longer than the Pulse XTX(don't know if other 4080's are shorter)

Tried DLSS3 on the 4070, and it's meh from me, so certainly not a deciding factor paying considerably more for software features.

Under a grand, £500 less than the 4090, cheaper than the cheapest 4080's.

Faster overall.

24Gb is more future proof than the 4080's 16Gb, but wouldn't be paying >£1000 for 'just' 16Gb vram anyway.

Better 3yr warranty dealt in-house with OcUk on the Pulse, Palit, Gainward you're looking at 2yrs warranty, customs clearance and postage to Asia region with longer RMA times.
 
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Cheapest 4080 £1050 ( Gainward Pheonix )

Cheapest 4090 £1500 ( Gainward Phantom )

Its not a couple of hundred more, its 45% more, and the 4090 isn't 45% faster/better than a 4080.

Its a big gap, not just a ' you might aswell get a 4090 ' if you are spending over a grand '

I faced the same choice as OP, i went with the 4080.
 
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Cheapest 4080 £1050 ( Gainward Pheonix )

Cheapest 4090 £1500 ( Gainward Phantom )

Its not a couple of hundred more, its 45% more, and the 4090 isn't 45% faster/better than a 4080.

Its a big gap, not just a ' you might aswell get a 4090 ' if you are spending over a grand '

I faced the same choice as OP, i went with the 4080.

The maths is going to be different for everyone but personally if I'm spending a little over £1000 on a GPU I might as well go to £1500 given the gap between the GPUs performance wise. That and at least you get the best GPU you can get for your money that way - personally I'd be pretty disappointed spending over a grand and getting a 4080.
 
Cheapest 4080 £1050 ( Gainward Pheonix )

Cheapest 4090 £1500 ( Gainward Phantom )

Its not a couple of hundred more, its 45% more, and the 4090 isn't 45% faster/better than a 4080.

Its a big gap, not just a ' you might aswell get a 4090 ' if you are spending over a grand '

I faced the same choice as OP, i went with the 4080.
The gap is +33% raster +39% RT and 50% more VRAM in favour of the 4090 that’s a generational gap similar to the performance delta between a 3070ti and 3090, that could be the difference in a couple of years of going from 45fps to 60.
 
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