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40th Anniversary Intel - Core i7-8086K - 5.0GHz+

Discussion in 'CPUs' started by Journey, May 30, 2018.

  1. humbug

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    They are all binned in some sort of fashion, this just means they are keeping more of the good ones back for yet more binning, so you have less chance of getting such a good one from the 8700K retail stack.
     
  2. Troezar

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    I was thinking of this isn't a binned 8700K what is it? It has 6 cores and 12 threads on the same process. What else is there physically they could change? Soldered would be one but would fly in the face of their reasoning for using toothpaste. They aren't changing the architecture for this one chip. They may throw in some goodies but that doesn't physically alter the chip from an 8700K.

    Seems an odd one to me. Only sense it magus is if you were contemplating buying an expensive binned 8700K.

    It should really be called an Anniversary 8700K. The rest is marketing guff in my opinion.
     
  3. Hotwired

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    Intel has had enough of seeing 3rd parties skimming off profits from selling binned chips so for a premium they're doing their own pre-binned chips.

    A new name to suggest it's a new chip though ;)
     
  4. SiDeards73

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    It's obvious it's a binned 8700k, and it's obvious Intel want some of that silicon lottery cash.

    I still expect these chips to be binned further for outrageous prices by 3rd parties if at all possible.

    But it is interesting, I eouwould be surprised if less 8700k able to get 5ghz or over appear as Intel basically holds that stock back for the new 8086
     
  5. X-Mikuru_Beam-X

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    Only 5ghz on one core for this 8086K? Isn’t that false advertising then if the other cores arnt as fast?
     
  6. Toasty

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    Don’t they always quote max turbo boost which is always on one core ? Could very well be a 4790k situation as those later 4770k were rubbish clockers due to intel binning all the good ones for the incoming devils canyon.
     
  7. String

    Capodecina

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    For a company the size of OCuK, the binning process makes sense, but for Intel I highly doubt it. That's a lot of effort in an attempt to squeeze a little bit of cash out of the enthusiast segment?
     
  8. eddiew

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    This, really. Seems like there must be tens or hundreds of mundane office and home PCs for every enthusiast with a bleeding edge rig. Doesn't seem worth the effort purely for profit; far more money in low-midrange laptops!
     
  9. sideways14a

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    I am surprised folk seem to be
    Thats exactly the way all the other processors with boost are marketed.
    You dont think you get 4.7Ghz on all cores boost with he 8700k or 4.4Ghz on all the cores in a 7980XE do you?
    They cant run them all at that speed.
     
  10. BongoHunter

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    think theyre aiming for 5gz turbo as it's 1000 times the speed of the chip their doing this as the 40th aniversry for - kinda neat!
     
  11. BTVA

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    Or they can bin the chip according to a well known batch of silicon and manufacturer process just like Haswell-E "J batch". Our binning process is rather "primitive" because we don't know internally or have some sort of machinery to scan the voltage leakage of the chip, I bet Intel does have all that.
    For 8700K, early batches L729C, L740C/D, L739C, L751D,etc... seems to go 5.2Ghz and beyond easily, just a hypothesis but most of them have a C or D in the middle.
     
  12. Gibbo

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    Hi there

    Coming soon.......
     
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  13. ubersonic

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    I love the way all the news sites reported it as the first CPU to hit 5GHz out of the box then had to edit that to first Intel CPU :p

    Also it's 16 years behind schedule, oh well, hopefully they hit their next big milestone (8-10GHz by the end of 2005) :D
     
  14. Journey

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    Can't be in breach of a NDA if you didn't sign one, and you are simply listing what a disti is showing you ;)


    In other news, deliveries confirmed for 20th June, will see if that happens based on Intel's past (recent) performance with processor releases, I'd imagine some slippage would be embarrassing
     
  15. eddiew

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    So, toothpaste confirmed? :(

    Also, don't suppose you'd consider a delid-lottery option? Feels like a lot of folks would pay £50 to pop the top just for the temps :)
     
  16. sideways14a

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    Almost certain to be toothpaste, intel aint going to run a new line just to put solder on a few very high end chips.

    Basically this is just an 8700k with a boost of a few hundred mhz more as its binned better, doubt its anything more than that.
    Its a bit expensive for only a 6 core but then folk are paying stupid money for binned and delidded chips elsewhere so why not...
     
  17. Gibbo

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  18. Journey

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    Indeed, this sort of illegal under the table practice happens in a lot of industries, and it is disgusting. Just another way to have the people selling your product on a leash, completely anti-competitive and only helps the manufacturer of the product not the end users, it's vile, abhorrent and outdated. :mad:

    See, above if you signed an NDA, then fair play, if you didn't then you are simply allowing the former to happen.
     
  19. SiDeards73

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    This..

    The common man is not buying this Anniversary chip, the OEM's are not buying this Anniversary chip, these are aimed at Intel enthusiasts, Intel will bin these and charge for it, and then they will get binned further as Gibbo above states.

    Wouldnt suprise me if as above, the earlier batches of C and D have been stockpiled further by Intel and any other magic batches they have identified..

    This could well become relevant with the AMD 7nm stuff as well, Lisa Su has said different products at different foundries, but we all know if they hit a homerun with one product and cant keep up demand they will move it to the other foundry, then you will end up playing the lottery with those chips etc.

    Anyhow, this is just a rebadged top tier 8700k :)
     
  20. Gibbo

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