5070 = 4090 for 499.

Sedgey123 · 2025-01-07T15:43:43+0000

The more i look and research it, people are going to be potentially paying around 2k for a bit of software.... as it looks like in raster performance will be not a great uplift.. but we will see in a couiple weeks.

8myers8 · 2025-01-07T15:52:39+0000

More Nvidia mind games to trick people who do not know much about GPUs and just read the ads .

Alexrose1uk · 2025-01-07T17:08:13+0000

If it turns out for raster the 5080 is only 10-20% faster than the 4080, and the AMD 9070XT are ~4080 with slightly slower RT (especially customs as sounds like they can draw a lot more power), but half the price at around 500, the 5070Ti and 5080 are going to be very hard sales apart from Frame Gen and DLSS. Maybe some early insider info on this architecture is why AMD has gone the way they have?

I mean, I like DLSS, but I wouldn't pay £500 extra for it and 10-20% performance. That's not even your average graphics card tier which is usually 20-25% or so.

Benches and pricing are going to be king here.

Tommy_Here · 2025-01-07T18:58:11+0000

Wonder when the reviews will be.. I do hate the month build up

Grim5 · 2025-01-07T19:02:44+0000

Alexrose1uk said:
If it turns out for raster the 5080 is only 10-20% faster than the 4080, and the AMD 9070XT are ~4080 with slightly slower RT (especially customs as sounds like they can draw a lot more power), but half the price at around 500, the 5070Ti and 5080 are going to be very hard sales apart from Frame Gen and DLSS. Maybe some early insider info on this architecture is why AMD has gone the way they have?

I mean, I like DLSS, but I wouldn't pay £500 extra for it and 10-20% performance. That's not even your average graphics card tier which is usually 20-25% or so.

Benches and pricing are going to be king here.

A lot of people are also not realising that all dlss features except 4xMFG is coming to older RTX cards

That means dlss and frame generation uses 2x image quality, higher dlss performance, lower input latency etc it's all coming to older RTX cards RTX cards you don't need to upgrade

When the new driver drops, all RTX cards wil get free higher performance and free higher image quality and free lower latency

neeb · 2025-01-07T19:06:01+0000

Rannoch said:
Right who’s blinking first and sticking their 4000 series on the MM

Never seen so many 4090’s on eBay

labbby · 2025-01-07T19:07:52+0000

neeb said:
Never seen so many 4090’s on eBay

they all missed the small print on the 5070 slide :cry:

neeb · 2025-01-07T19:15:12+0000

labbby said:
they all missed the small print on the 5070 slide

Think they did, does make me wonder what affect it’s gonna have on the 4090 2nd hand market though.

labbby · 2025-01-07T19:17:42+0000

neeb said:
Think they did, does make me wonder what affect it’s gonna have on the 4090 2nd hand market though.

I would imagine the ones selling the 4090's are going for the 5090's. I cant believe many would fall for it with regards to the 5070 slide.

I for one am out this time round but mainly due to not really gaming at the moment. (make some good games devs ffs).

Sedgey123 · 2025-01-07T19:17:54+0000

I think its going to stabalise around the £900-1000 mark... it may drop more if they do a 5080 super and give that more VRAM which i wouldn't be surprised if they did... there is a massive hole between 5080 and 5090

hornetstinger · 2025-01-07T19:18:05+0000

labbby said:
they all missed the small print on the 5070 slide

Already had someone telling me 50% improvement lol marketing works

neeb · 2025-01-07T19:20:40+0000

Come the end of the month on the nvidia website all 5070 and 5070ti fe’s not available yet the 5090 will still be in stock :cry:

Defy Belief · 2025-01-07T19:21:13+0000

Just drafting my wanted thread ready for February to swap a sealed 5070 for someone's 4090

arc@css · 2025-01-07T19:25:50+0000

Embarrassing marketing, but at least the price is better than I expected (5070).

harmattan · 2025-01-07T19:26:24+0000

labbby said:
I would imagine the ones selling the 4090's are going for the 5090's. I cant believe many would fall for it with regards to the 5070 slide.

I for one am out this time round but mainly due to not really gaming at the moment. (make some good games devs ffs).

They're either going for the 5090 or have decided they don't really need that performance and want to sell up to buy a somewhat equivalent card (5080) and bank some dough.

Case1987 · 2025-01-07T19:29:04+0000

Alexrose1uk said:
If it turns out for raster the 5080 is only 10-20% faster than the 4080, and the AMD 9070XT are ~4080 with slightly slower RT (especially customs as sounds like they can draw a lot more power), but half the price at around 500, the 5070Ti and 5080 are going to be very hard sales apart from Frame Gen and DLSS. Maybe some early insider info on this architecture is why AMD has gone the way they have?

I mean, I like DLSS, but I wouldn't pay £500 extra for it and 10-20% performance. That's not even your average graphics card tier which is usually 20-25% or so.

Benches and pricing are going to be king here.

No way it's 4080 performance for £500, it's more like 4070ti 12GB.It got 22k on timespy

Buckster · 2025-01-07T19:31:58+0000

Grim5 said:
A lot of people are also not realising that all dlss features except 4xMFG is coming to older RTX cards

That means dlss and frame generation uses 2x image quality, higher dlss performance, lower input latency etc it's all coming to older RTX cards RTX cards you don't need to upgrade

When the new driver drops, all RTX cards wil get free higher performance and free higher image quality and free lower latency

No frame gen on RTX below 4x series

mahius · 2025-01-07T19:32:30+0000

This marketing BS makes me think the 5000 series will barely provide worthwhile performance gains.
If a 5070 using +3 fake frames tangles with a 4090 using 1 fake frame... it would actually just be close to half the real performance of the 4090.
Or worse, if the comparison is to a regular 4090 raster minus DLSS, that would make the 5070 even worse.
Oh and don't forget half the VRAM of the 4090... no way it'll get close in higher resolutions.

And no, dropping down oh so generously to $550 doesn't magically make it a good price. It's still at the garbage tier pricing that the 4000 series established.

hornetstinger · 2025-01-07T19:35:13+0000

mahius said:
This marketing BS makes me think the 5000 series will barely provide worthwhile performance gains.
If a 5070 using +3 fake frames tangles with a 4090 using 1 fake frame... it would actually just be close to half the real performance of the 4090.
Or worse, if the comparison is to a regular 4090 raster minus DLSS, that would make the 5070 even worse.
Oh and don't forget half the VRAM of the 4090... no way it'll get close in higher resolutions.

And no, dropping down oh so generously to $550 doesn't magically make it a good price. It's still at the garbage tier pricing that the 4000 series established.

What if Nvidia force DLSS and FG in the drivers? :cry:

mahius · 2025-01-07T19:49:03+0000

hornetstinger said:
What if Nvidia force DLSS and FG in the drivers?

Not every game supports it... but let's say it did.
Have you seen the poor quality and artifacting of the fake frames on the other thread?

Yeah no thanks. I'd rather have 100% real rendered frames at 25% fps, than quadruple FPS at the cost of terrible image quality for most of the frames.
I've never owned a DLSS-capable GPU, but if I did, I'd never use it. I prefer the good old days of just plain old rendering.

It's a shame that we barely get genuine performance anymore, relying on such compromises and crutches to achieve the generational improvements we once were used to.