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5090 Price

The biggest problem is they can't seem to compete in software. Say they had everything Nvidia did, but still had the RT performance it has, it would do a lot better.

They also need to find a solution where you can update old games by dropping in latest FSR like in like DLSS. It does not need to work with old cards, just new ones which I guess will be their new architecture in 2 years time?

I would be happy to jump ship and come back if they catch up in every way except for RT personally. But as it is, next gen they have nothing to offer me.

5080 should be no more than $999 and they can go $1999 or more for the 5090 for all I care.

5070 Ti $799
5070 $599

Truth is what I would want to see is this:

5090 $1999 or more
5080 $899
5070 Ti $699
5070 $499

Profitable and does not take the total biscuit.

This is based on latest leaks in Cuda cores etc.

I need some performance uplift and I'm hoping we don't get shafted with the 5070ti and 5080, assuming the leaks regarding the 5070ti having 16gb of VRAM is true and be some miracle we got that sort of pricing I'd say it's the most interesting card in the line up by far.
 
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The target market for the 90 is very different to the 80, 70, etc. People will pay 2k.

There's a group of people who would probably bite at 1.5k, but it's not really a loss as they're a minority.
You think there's more people willing to shell out over 2k than 1.5k?
 
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The biggest problem is they can't seem to compete in software. Say they had everything Nvidia did, but still had the RT performance it has, it would do a lot better.

They also need to find a solution where you can update old games by dropping in latest FSR like in like DLSS. It does not need to work with old cards, just new ones which I guess will be their new architecture in 2 years time?

I would be happy to jump ship and come back if they catch up in every way except for RT personally. But as it is, next gen they have nothing to offer me.

5080 should be no more than $999 and they can go $1999 or more for the 5090 for all I care.

5070 Ti $799
5070 $599

Truth is what I would want to see is this:

5090 $1999 or more
5080 $899
5070 Ti $699
5070 $499

Profitable and does not take the total biscuit.

This is based on latest leaks in Cuda cores etc.
Software is what's holding Nvidia back on Linux. Yes I know, minority, but it's important to me.

Some issues have been fixed recently and the experience is generally fine. Nvidia drivers are still significantly worse on Linux and performance is worse there than Windows, unlike AMD.

If I see any second hand bargains that offset this performance penalty from worse software then I may go Nvidia again, otherwise it will be AMD.

Everyone's predictions including yours are dire as they should be given what we "know". It sucks feeling that nothing has changed in two years and likely nothing will change for the foreseeable.
 
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You think there's more people willing to shell out over 2k than 1.5k?
No, I think that the people who want this card, are willing to pay 1.5k, 2k, maybe more, regardless of their financial situation.

Then there's a group of people who would stretch their budget where the 90 had a meaningful advantage over the 80, but also aren't willing to drop 2k on a GPU i.e. at 2k they'll rather settle on the 80 but at 1.5k might have been swayed to spend a bit more and get the 90.
 
Software is what's holding Nvidia back on Linux. Yes I know, minority, but it's important to me.

Some issues have been fixed recently and the experience is generally fine. Nvidia drivers are still significantly worse on Linux and performance is worse there than Windows, unlike AMD.

If I see any second hand bargains that offset this performance penalty from worse software then I may go Nvidia again, otherwise it will be AMD.

Everyone's predictions including yours are dire as they should be given what we "know". It sucks feeling that nothing has changed in two years and likely nothing will change for the foreseeable.

It does suck indeed. But it is what it is.

I hate the direction Windows is going in. I will not install Recall on my PC. Maybe one day I will go Linux only and if Nvidia have not sorted their **** out by then they won't be an option.

But chances are I will just dual boot. Windows for gaming only and Linux for everything else.
 
No, I think that the people who want this card, are willing to pay 1.5k, 2k, maybe more, regardless of their financial situation.

Then there's a group of people who would stretch their budget where the 90 had a meaningful advantage over the 80, but also aren't willing to drop 2k on a GPU i.e. at 2k they'll rather settle on the 80 but at 1.5k might have been swayed to spend a bit more and get the 90.
Yeah but surely the former is the minority and not the latter. I would say the people who would stretch to a reasonably priced 5090 are by far the majority of those in the market for top tier.
 
How many are going to be exported to China like current 4090s are being?
Also with 32GB of VRAM this is looking like a great card for workstations. These two markets have deep pockets and as long as the cards sell, no one cares who the buyer is. £2499 if I’m being realistic. They can always lower the price if they don’t sell but the initial few waves of cards should sell out at that price.
 
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Yeah but surely the former is the minority and not the latter. I would say the people who would stretch to a reasonably priced 5090 are by far the majority of those in the market for top tier.
Definitely a minority in the overall market but I think a majority in the enthusiast market; could be wrong.

Either way I think the cards will sell well at any price and maybe get reduced later if they were massively overpriced (like the 4080).
 
TechPowerUP | Posted on 26 December 2024 said:
NVIDIA and AMD Rush to Ship Next-Generation GPUs Ahead of Trump Administration Tariffs

NVIDIA and AMD have launched an acceleration of their next-generation GPU production and shipping schedules, racing to beat impending Trump administration tariffs that could inflate prices by up to 60%. The companies are prioritizing delivery to US warehouses before January 20, when the new trade measures are supposed to take effect. This aggressive timeline represents a significant departure from traditional GPU rollout strategies, which typically maintain controlled production rates during initial manufacturing phases. The urgent push aims to protect both consumer prices and profit margins, with manufacturers breaking from their usual conservative supply approach to ensure maximum inventory reaches American shores before the tariff deadline. NVIDIA is boosting shipments of its next-gen GeForce RTX 50 series, while AMD is busy with Radeon RX 9000 series.

The impact of these tariffs could reshape the GPU market prices, with flagship products like NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 5090 potentially seeing price increases from the rumored $1,799 to approximately $2,500. Following similar moves by Microsoft, Dell, and HP, this strategic rush to beat tariff implementation shows the technology sector's response to evolving trade policies. These price hikes could trigger a surge in the secondary GPU market as consumers seek more affordable options. While manufacturers work to shield customers from immediate price impacts through pre-tariff stockpiling, the long-term outlook for GPU pricing and availability remains uncertain as the industry adapts to these new trade dynamics. Increasing the prices dramatically will result in a rapid fall in demand, so the supply chain is working overtime to assess and address the potential tariff issue.
Source: https://www.techpowerup.com/330243/...on-gpus-ahead-of-trump-administration-tariffs
 
Friends back home are telling me the grand majority of volume of cards will be going to US market before the 20th. They'll likely get a single bulk shipment out before the tariffs hit.

Remains to be seen if UK retail price or supply will ultimately be affected by the tariffs. It won't likely be good, in any case.
 
Expensive lol. It's a big die, probably no less than 400$ to produce per unit even assuming very good defect density rates (0.1) on TSMC N4P process node.

You need to add memory and other PCB cost. So it's probably the most expensive consumer card NVIDIA has ever manufactured.

My guess is 1799$ which will translate into 2199€ and £1999.
 
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