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580 GTX Price is up....

to be fair, there isn't a game that a 480 can't play at decent frames....is there even a point in getting a 580 other than e-peen swinging?
 
Point? It's faster. The main point for Nvidia I suspect that it is cheaper to produce, the cheaper cooler being one of the savings. That means more $'s for them.

:P @ Raven ;-)
 
subbytna said:
to be fair, there isn't a game that a 480 can't play at decent frames....is there even a point in getting a 580 other than e-peen swinging?
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Some people are more impressed with their frame rate than the actual game itself. Who cares if you completed Crysis three years ago, you're now getting double the FPS with some extra AA thrown in, WOOOO! What a great purchase...
 
Personally I just hope that whichever version Raven get's, it's supplied with enough silica gel pouches to combat the dribble. I don't believe they'll except RMA for fluid damage ;-)

Will be interested to see the actual specs of the card and to see what the really have improved on.
 
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I consider a speed bump when a manufacturer just just increased clock speeds and fits a better cooler, I.E basically just overclocking the card and maybe making a few PCB changes to handle it.

I can't divulge as to what NVIDIA has done due to NDA, but they've done a lot more than just that. :)
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Of course Gibbo, that better be the case :D

  • The way it stands we got a 772mhz full 512 cuda Cores with 4000mhz DDR5 384-bit.
  • It should be able to beat a 480 gtx lightning OC which goes up to...900mhz 480 cuda cores with 4000mhz DDR5.

900mhz 480 cores vs 772mhz 512 cores...I am willing to bet that there isnt much between them. Naturally 580gtx will be able to be overclocked, less power draw and probably with a few gimmicks/tweaks chucked in such as surround support without the second card....
 
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As long as they have made something more efficient in the pipeline (like texture units increase etc), then I see 772Mhz with 512 beating 900Mhz with 480. If no efficiency tweaks have been made, I think the 480 @ 900 will be slightly faster. Just my opinion of course...
 
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http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/gpu_displays/msi_n480gtx_lightning_review_exclusive/6

Check this out. 480 gtx lightning OC 900mhz - 4000mhz DDR5

Stock 480GTX = 57
Lightning 480 GTX overclocked = 78.2
Stock 5870 = 51

35% right there

And check out the minimum fps. Gets even worse..
Stock 480GTX = 18
Stock 5870 = 13
Lightning 480 OC = 58:eek:

I think its safe to say that Lightning OC to 900mhz with 4000mhz DDR5 will be as fast as 580GTX. Naturally, 580GTX will have reduced power, quieter operation, tweaked this/that and itself will be able to OC. But its a good baseline as to whats coming.

over 50% speed of a stock 5870. Dont think that 6970 can catch it, it will have to be 50% speed up over 5870.:cool::cool:
 
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Skyrocket said:
Of course Gibbo, that better be the case :D

  • The way it stands we got a 772mhz full 512 cuda Cores with 4000mhz DDR5 384-bit.
  • It should be able to beat a 480 gtx lightning OC which goes up to...900mhz 480 cuda cores with 4000mhz DDR5.

900mhz 480 cores vs 772mhz 512 cores...I am willing to bet that there isnt much between them. Naturally 580gtx will be able to be overclocked, less power draw and probably with a few gimmicks/tweaks chucked in such as surround support without the second card....
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http://www.nordichardware.com/news/71-graphics/41570-the-geforce-gtx-580-mystery-is-clearing.html

GF110 focuses on retail, without HPC functionsWe have had a hard time seeing how NVIDIA would be able to activate its sixteenth SM unit without severe problems with the power consumption. But with GF110 NVIDIA made an active choice and sacrificed the HPC functionality (High Performance Computing) that it talked so boldly about for Fermi, not only to make it smaller but also more efficient.

According to sources to NordicHardware it can be as many as 300 million transistors that NVIDIA has been able to cut in this way. The effect is that GF110 will be a GPU targetting only retail and will not be as efficient for GPGPU applications as the older siblings of the Fermi Tesla family. Something few users will care about.
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So perhaps the GTX580 has fewer transistors making higher clockspeeds more easily obtainable?
 
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Those results are extremely dubious. Do you have a link to the review they came from?

The minimum framerate results are very odd. There is nothing in the spec to suggest anywhere near that kind of improvement over a stock or overclocked GTX480.


Anyway, regarding an overclocked 480 being a benchmark for the 580: The 580 has double the number of texture units, so there will be no direct measure between a clocked 480 and a stock 580. In cases where the game is entirely shader-limited, the two could be comparable (although memory would need to be clocked also). However in most real world cases the extra texture units will adjust the balance between the two setups somewhat.




Dutch Guy said:
So perhaps the GTX580 has fewer transistors making higher clockspeeds more easily obtainable?
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Entirely possible. I suspect they did a second spin without the double-precision pathways. From a design point of view this would be a relatively straightforward modification, and would allow the die size to be reduced. I imagine we will see this "dual-design" principle pop up again in the future.
 
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