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5800X Boost set to 5050Mhz all cores with AMD Curve Optimizer
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Hello,
Been following this thread and first of all, just what to give a shout out to @gerardfraser for the great info!
Specs:
CPU: 5900x
MB: MSI x570 Unify
RAM: 3600 mhz 14-15-15-15-35
Been playing around with settings but apparently setting all cores at -5 isn’t stable for me with +200 mhz boost. So I’ve only set my 2 best cores? to - 5 (setting these to -15 isn’t stable) and increased to +500 mhz boost (for kicks) and this seems to be stable so far.
At these settings, my temps seem to be solid as it peaks at 61c and averages around 57-58c running Cinebench r20. My ST score is 651 (reaching 5075 boost on a few cores).
Will be doing more tweaking and testing...
Been following this thread and first of all, just what to give a shout out to @gerardfraser for the great info!
Specs:
CPU: 5900x
MB: MSI x570 Unify
RAM: 3600 mhz 14-15-15-15-35
Been playing around with settings but apparently setting all cores at -5 isn’t stable for me with +200 mhz boost. So I’ve only set my 2 best cores? to - 5 (setting these to -15 isn’t stable) and increased to +500 mhz boost (for kicks) and this seems to be stable so far.
At these settings, my temps seem to be solid as it peaks at 61c and averages around 57-58c running Cinebench r20. My ST score is 651 (reaching 5075 boost on a few cores).
Will be doing more tweaking and testing...
What it's showing is the voltage drop when applying curve optimizer. You can set a positive voltage offset to counter it. Unfortunately for me, MSI seems to have a voltage offset bug where it locks the cpu at base frequency. So I'm stuck with -5 and no voltage offset to counter. It's still stable, but any higher is why I'd crash.
It doesn't show any input for a positive voltage offset for it tho, or is dat magnitude as shown on this screen?
The numbers in the spreadsheet also do not convert to values in the trend of -5, -10, -15
https://i.imgur.com/gMlqzvL.jpeg
It doesn't show any input for a positive voltage offset for it tho, or is dat magnitude as shown on this screen?
The numbers in the spreadsheet also do not convert to values in the trend of -5, -10, -15
https://i.imgur.com/gMlqzvL.jpeg
Voltage offset is set elsewhere in the bios, not sure where in asus bios. They do if you go to the far right of the spreadsheet, you'll see -5 and whatnot. The offset may be different on a 5950x, those are for 5800x. The other thing is bios often sets in specific increments, so you may not be able to set a +11mv offset for instance. I think mine is in 25mv increments, so if it actually worked in mine, I'd go for the -20 or -10 curve with +50mv or +25mv, respectively.
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Your under water cooling,you will be fiine. You have an AMD CPU with a 3 year warranty, WTF would you care what safe voltage is. IF it screws up in three years ,get a new one. The question about safe voltage blows my mind. Hell I have a 10 year old Intel machine overclocked to 4.5 Ghz ,it use to do 4.6Ghz ten years ago. Was that voltage safe,I say no. I would bet the same happened to you on Intel machine,did you question the safe voltage.
So my point is do not worry about it,enjoy your CPU for years to come,they are made to last. Some do actually fail but that is just they way it is.
That is awesome,now not that it matters but if you like big numbers while gaming. Keep trying until you stsrt seeing stuff like this.
It doesn't show any input for a positive voltage offset for it tho, or is dat magnitude as shown on this screen?
The numbers in the spreadsheet also do not convert to values in the trend of -5, -10, -15
https://i.imgur.com/gMlqzvL.jpeg
The chart I posted has offset voltages for
positive 100/50/25/20/15/10/5/0
negative -100/-50/-25/-20/-15/-10/-5/0
You can set whatever you want ,I was not going to test every number so you can use +- 1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8/9/10 ETC
If you mean something different then I have no clue what your talking about explain more
So ive given this a go, and not sure what to make of the results.
This is a stock 5900X. Mem is OC from 3200 to 3400 @ 1.4v 1.1v soc. Fabric is 1700
Its running a CPUz 'stress' in the pics to show all core boost.
This is with PBO to advanced, Curve to -5 all cores +150mhz boost override
Stock seems to give me 4450 on all but 2 cores all boost. Peaks 4950 on 2 cores
Curve only gives me 4450 on 2 cores all boost, rest are lower. Peaks 5075 on 1 core
I noticed the power settings seem off. If i leave on 'auto' im using 100% of PPT, TDC and EDC.
If i set to 'motherboard' instead of auto, my PPT is 500w not 142w and TDC / EDC double thier values.
This last picture is curve set to -5 +150 but PBO limits on 'motherboard' not 'auto'
What am I doing wrong?
This is a stock 5900X. Mem is OC from 3200 to 3400 @ 1.4v 1.1v soc. Fabric is 1700
Its running a CPUz 'stress' in the pics to show all core boost.
This is with PBO to advanced, Curve to -5 all cores +150mhz boost override
Stock seems to give me 4450 on all but 2 cores all boost. Peaks 4950 on 2 cores
Curve only gives me 4450 on 2 cores all boost, rest are lower. Peaks 5075 on 1 core
I noticed the power settings seem off. If i leave on 'auto' im using 100% of PPT, TDC and EDC.
If i set to 'motherboard' instead of auto, my PPT is 500w not 142w and TDC / EDC double thier values.
This last picture is curve set to -5 +150 but PBO limits on 'motherboard' not 'auto'
What am I doing wrong?
Without core offset, it will be difficult to get stability with anything more than -5 curve.
your pics aren't workingSo ive given this a go, and not sure what to make of the results.
This is a stock 5900X. Mem is OC from 3200 to 3400 @ 1.4v 1.1v soc. Fabric is 1700
Its running a CPUz 'stress' in the pics to show all core boost.
This is with PBO to advanced, Curve to -5 all cores +150mhz boost override
Stock seems to give me 4450 on all but 2 cores all boost. Peaks 4950 on 2 cores
Curve only gives me 4450 on 2 cores all boost, rest are lower. Peaks 5075 on 1 core
I noticed the power settings seem off. If i leave on 'auto' im using 100% of PPT, TDC and EDC.
If i set to 'motherboard' instead of auto, my PPT is 500w not 142w and TDC / EDC double thier values.
This last picture is curve set to -5 +150 but PBO limits on 'motherboard' not 'auto'
What am I doing wrong?
So yes, vcore offset required? Or required on each core
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well a general vcore offset is fine. if you're doing -10, do 25mv or 0.025v, dunno how your bios reports it. for -20 its 50mv offset
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OK I will try to help a little but all I can do is show stuff,not for me to interrupt results for anyone.I do not know anything about this stuff until AMD releases more information and fixes what they said on Nov 6 2020. Take anything with grain of salt.
See Post #62 in this thread for what AMD said.
As far as I know CPU Core offset voltage does not work on the MSI X570 Tomahawk ,it should give you the base clock of the 5800X CPU if you change this. Now CPU override voltage works but will involve clock stretch in negative voltage is set(See Post #62 in this thread for what AMD said).
F these terms can get confusing ,so I am not sure which voltage some of you are speaking of when you say things like is vcore offset required and vcore offset is fine.
@Rom you posted CPU-Z shots of all core clocks. Not sure why but I did quick test,only tested for a few seconds each after windows loaded around a minute or two.Also take note of effective clock speed
See Post #62 in this thread for what AMD said.
As far as I know CPU Core offset voltage does not work on the MSI X570 Tomahawk ,it should give you the base clock of the 5800X CPU if you change this. Now CPU override voltage works but will involve clock stretch in negative voltage is set(See Post #62 in this thread for what AMD said).
F these terms can get confusing ,so I am not sure which voltage some of you are speaking of when you say things like is vcore offset required and vcore offset is fine.
@Rom you posted CPU-Z shots of all core clocks. Not sure why but I did quick test,only tested for a few seconds each after windows loaded around a minute or two.Also take note of effective clock speed
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I can confirm this is correct for the MSI MEG Unfiy X570 too. I set the offset voltage to + 0.037v and max boost was 3.8Ghz.
Gone back to boring auto settings until I can understand the Ryzen overclocking a bit more.
@gerardfraser thank you for taking the time to test that!
I only used it as its quick and easy, was just a way for me to get a 'score' to compare after changes, rather than waiting for R20 etc which took ages for SC compared. Probably not as good I know, but if Im honest, this isnt an area I want to spec hours playing around.
Im a very basic OC'er, usually just find a guide for my cpu and copy it. Im probably best off waiting until there is better data out there. Really appreciate your posts, they are just a bit over my head
If im reading it correctly, we are undervolting by using negative curve? But expecting it to run higher boost?
Could it be that some cpus, will need more voltage, not less? IE my 6700k needed 1.4v to be stable at 4.5, many others were stable at 4.6 with only 1.35v etc.
I only used it as its quick and easy, was just a way for me to get a 'score' to compare after changes, rather than waiting for R20 etc which took ages for SC compared. Probably not as good I know, but if Im honest, this isnt an area I want to spec hours playing around.
Im a very basic OC'er, usually just find a guide for my cpu and copy it. Im probably best off waiting until there is better data out there. Really appreciate your posts, they are just a bit over my head
If im reading it correctly, we are undervolting by using negative curve? But expecting it to run higher boost?
Could it be that some cpus, will need more voltage, not less? IE my 6700k needed 1.4v to be stable at 4.5, many others were stable at 4.6 with only 1.35v etc.
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Yes this is how it works.Read below what I am going to say,it may help or not.
@gerardfraser thank you for taking the time to test that!
I only used it as its quick and easy, was just a way for me to get a 'score' to compare after changes, rather than waiting for R20 etc which took ages for SC compared. Probably not as good I know, but if Im honest, this isnt an area I want to spec hours playing around.
Im a very basic OC'er, usually just find a guide for my cpu and copy it. Im probably best off waiting until there is better data out there. Really appreciate your posts, they are just a bit over my head
If im reading it correctly, we are undervolting by using negative curve? But expecting it to run higher boost?
Could it be that some cpus, will need more voltage, not less? IE my 6700k needed 1.4v to be stable at 4.5, many others were stable at 4.6 with only 1.35v etc.
The Ryzen CPU works different than an Intel CPU and Intel will /is/are shifting to AMD Ryzen way of running there CPU's now or at least very similar,not that it matters.
Auto setting work great on Ryzen CPU's and they are for 98% of the people with Ryzen. Only people who want to tinker with Ryzen and may have a little benefit at all are people who do actual work on computer to make money and use a specific program to do this. Then overclocking for high single core or overclocking for high multicore overclock is beneficial to them and there work projects and is needed.
Then you have actual overclockers trying to improve the size of there epeen or evag to impress others. These guys will do anything possible to get 0.1% better score on a benchmark whatever it takes.
As I said and is only my opinion 98% of people should just run on auto and let the AMD CPU algorithm do it's thing and you get the best of both worlds. Great single core performance and Multi core performance especially on any AMD Ryzen 5000 CPU.
I fall within the 98% of people but since AMD can offer some more perceived performance over a wide variety of use's than I jumped on it an made a thread.
Now the perceived performance I am talking about and is pretty much useless in everyday normal things is getting a higher Cinebench20 score in single/multi core.This has no use in anything unless you actually are a Cinema 3d artist which goes back to the work thing above.
Having a AMD Ryzen CPU set to 4500Mhz is not going to effect PC gaming or anything you do compared to having the highest single /multicore in Cinebench at say 5100Mhz. Maybe it may effect low resolution PC gaming but I have not tested it yet on Ryzen 5000 but I have on Ryzen 3000 and made no real difference. Who really buys $1000 GPU/$700 CPU and plays games at 1080p.
Best part is this is easily testable. I am trying to help out so in your mind like mine, I love seeing higher numbers but reality is it makes no difference in the real world.I am not trying to be mean and I said this before in this thread.
I can share so things I done for myself to me me feel good and I even know there is no difference but I also like higher numbers. On every Ryzen CPU I owned 2600x/3600X/3600XT/3800X/3800Xt/5800X I was able to achieve what I want and shared the information at times to where I get people calling me a POS,Liar I could go on.
Last thing do not worry about your scores if you can not get them like someone else that is fine and running AMD Ryzen at default is fine also.Adds needed smily face to show not serious guy here
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Yeah, getting this as well on the Unify. Also want to clarify in my previous post that setting all cores to -5 curve is actually stable for me, but setting any number more than that isn't.
I completely get that, but also know this is a forum of 'overclockers' as your audience... people who want the epeen for no.1 score, want 2fps faster in a game played in a resolution from 2002 or just want to learn a few new things.
It's all new stuff to me so i would say i'm a mix of all of the above with epeen being the smallest factor (
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It's all new stuff to me so i would say i'm a mix of all of the above with epeen being the smallest factor (
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This may be the same across all motherboards and AMD Ryzen 5000 CPU's until AMD releases the BIOS update to handle this better with AMD Curve Optimizer ,all I know when I am PC gaming and look up and see 5000+ Mhz,it works good enough for me. It's overclocking everyones CPU may react a little different.Also AMD hits the magic 5000Mhz wall yeah that is good enough but how far to they let the CPU go till,there has to be a limit some where with regular CPU cooling ,I see 6000+Mhz with LN2 and alike.
As for the voltage offset I believed Robert Hallock when he said that it does not work on Ryzen 5000 yet and they are making it better. At least that is the way I read his statement and when I tried it did not work.
So true and funny as hell,I am in the same boat,I do not know jack about AMD CPU's or least that is what I been told many times. I also been told I got golden samples of CPU's many time which is not true. I press key on a keyboard until it works as I want it to,that is all not trying to trick anyone.You will get it,it is no different than any other computer after a bit.I completely get that, but also know this is a forum of 'overclockers' as your audience... people who want the epeen for no.1 score, want 2fps faster in a game played in a resolution from 2002 or just want to learn a few new things.
It's all new stuff to me so i would say i'm a mix of all of the above with epeen being the smallest factor (
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