5820k where's it stand today?

[ZeroG]

I'm glad I came across this thread. I too have an i7-5820k along with an Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080Ti which has done me well these last few years. I was thinking about possible upgrades but as usual I don't think it would be worth it for me just now.

 

[koooowweeee]

Maybe I calculated it wrong but it was sommot like £80 a year electric difference for me. Cost of electric uk avg + idle 140w x 18 hours a day = £180, vs 80w x18 hours a day = £94

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But your sidegrade cost you more lolz

 

[koooowweeee]

Mine would be don't bother at all. Put your money in your pocket and save for something decent if you are actually considering that move. That's the thing about opinions isn't it, you can argue with me all day long but that's never going to change. So I mistakenly got the platform wrong, but that doesn't matter or change the argument at all (the cpu you are recommending at this point is 5 generations and 6 years old) the socket died years ago, again investing approx £230 into that platform is madness. Your argument seems to center around the fact that you can sell one thing and buy something else at a given cost but then if you are going to be selling things anyway sell the whole lot to somebody like yourself that is willing to pay £200+ for that cpu and move to something a bit more modern.

So you only buy new. Never got a old car?

Who cares if the platform is dead or how old it is. It's a sidegrade to a 3600. So he's wasted money.

Your argument is carp. I spent £80 18 months ago. So after 6 years my gaming rig is better.

 

[Vince]

So you only buy new. Never got a old car?

Who cares if the platform is dead or how old it is. It's a sidegrade to a 3600. So he's wasted money.

Your argument is carp. I spent £80 18 months ago. So after 6 years my gaming rig is better.

My argument is most certainly not a fish 18 months ago you could equally have sold, invested the same and be on a platform now that is good for faster higher core count cpu's and perhaps another couple of generations. Instead you have nowhere to go. Again it isn't an argument, it is opinion and in my opinion spending £230 on a 5 year old cpu on a dead socket is an argument that doesn't hold up today. Perhaps it did 18 months ago but today it doesn't make sense, again this is opinion as clearly there are people still buying these chips at the 200+ price point. Honestly if it's game performance you want then the chip is probably outpaced by a £120 rrp 3300x, if it's multi threaded performance there are plenty of options that match or beat it at a cheaper price point so then what are we left with? Is there really a compelling reason today to buy one of these over the other similarly priced options while they still command the value they do re-sale? Id use the resale value argument as the reason you should get rid of it while it is still worth anything at all.

 

[LeMson]

But your sidegrade cost you more lolz

Only if I stick with this setup and never drop in a 4950x, otherwise I'm just delaying cost of buying the mobo and ram, and if I save £80 electricity over a year then the cpu has cost me £152 - £80 = £72 for the 3600, no different to buying a 5960x?

I never described this as a massive upgrade, all I said was I moved from 5820k to 3600, power use was lower and performance was up a bit

 

[koooowweeee]

My argument is most certainly not a fish 18 months ago you could equally have sold, invested the same and be on a platform now that is good for faster higher core count cpu's and perhaps another couple of generations. Instead you have nowhere to go. Again it isn't an argument, it is opinion and in my opinion spending £230 on a 5 year old cpu on a dead socket is an argument that doesn't hold up today. Perhaps it did 18 months ago but today it doesn't make sense, again this is opinion as clearly there are people still buying these chips at the 200+ price point. Honestly if it's game performance you want then the chip is probably outpaced by a £120 rrp 3300x, if it's multi threaded performance there are plenty of options that match or beat it at a cheaper price point so then what are we left with? Is there really a compelling reason today to buy one of these over the other similarly priced options while they still command the value they do re-sale? Id use the resale value argument as the reason you should get rid of it while it is still worth anything at all.

I can get a 10 core CPU possibly a 12 (not looked into that) so I have somewhere to go same as I did when I have a 6 core.

But still forwhat it costs it's a bargain. The 5960x can be had for £160-170 if you look about. So if op or anyone else sold there 5820k for £80 that would still be a cheap upgrade.

Your peeing into the wind pal.

 

[Vince]

I can get a 10 core CPU possibly a 12 (not looked into that) so I have somewhere to go same as I did when I have a 6 core.

But still forwhat it costs it's a bargain. The 5960x can be had for £160-170 if you look about. So if op or anyone else sold there 5820k for £80 that would still be a cheap upgrade.

Your peeing into the wind pal.

If you see value in that then you do you. Id argue your "gaming" pc will be potentially be no faster the higher up that stack you go in 90% of games even potentially slower as the clocks drop off unless you can get a solid overclock, in production stuff it will be better, no doubt about that but then it's handily spanked by lesser, newer parts here that will also beat or match it in gaming. I'd argue that better gaming performance could be had out of newer lower end chips that cost pittance and I would also argue that continuing to put money into the platform is nonsensical, if you see value there then crack on. That is the beauty of this world we don't all have to agree.

In my mind there comes a time when a platform just isn't worth putting more money into and I don't see even £170 as a bargain given you could buy an 8/16 chip + board for less. Even with my most sensible hat on I just don't live in a world where this is a bargain or even that sensible of an upgrade for almost any but the most outlier of use cases.

Peeing into the wind perhaps, but hopefully others in here see it's also talking sense. It isn't even an AMD vs Intel thing it's just a value for money and performance on offer thing. I would put money on the x5960 being handily beaten in most if not all scenarios by the 2700x in my mrs machine that I paid £100 for and £42 for the motherboard just a few months back, it might be by relatively slim margins but the board and processor costs less than that £160 supposed bargain processor. Then I think that same £42 board can also get me into 16 cores and 32 threads in the 3000 series and by the looks of it also the refresh and then the upcoming generation as well. Sure the b450 board I have in my mrs rig is a bit poor but the performance is there and it cost peanuts and offers a proper upgrade path.

 

[Toasty]

Temporarily upgrading to 3600 is solid move, platform is ready for 4000 series and you have a better CPU then you did, only good option for X99 is to stay with what you have if not CPU limited too badly or sell now while people are willing to pay good money for them.

With the price they command used it actually makes sense to sell them while they fetch good money.

Like if your X99 board died, then prices of replacement boards are crazy.

£200 for a 5960x 18 months ago is really cheap they were still going for way more than that on average like £400 unless dodgy ES so you got a really good deal there.

X99 is dead end so only worth if very cheap, if gaming newer stuff is much better and cheaper.

If you need cores then you are really limited to Xeon with low boost speed and they are often ES so might not work. Problem is 3950x is cheaper than some of the used 18 core Xeon for 2011-3 and it will spank them, you can pair that with £100 B450 tomahawk max and it’s fine.

If you can buy new parts for price of used ones and the used doesn’t offer lot more performance then no point buying used imo.

 

[Rroff]

Peeing into the wind perhaps, but hopefully others in here see it's also talking sense. It isn't even an AMD vs Intel thing it's just a value for money and performance on offer thing. I would put money on the x5960 being handily beaten in most if not all scenarios by the 2700x in my mrs machine that I paid £100 for and £42 for the motherboard just a few months back, it might be by relatively slim margins but the board and processor costs less than that £160 supposed bargain processor. Then I think that same £42 board can also get me into 16 cores and 32 threads in the 3000 series and by the looks of it also the refresh and then the upcoming generation as well. Sure the b450 board I have in my mrs rig is a bit poor but the performance is there and it cost peanuts and offers a proper upgrade path.

Only skim read but not sure if you are mixing them up - the X5690 is an older Xeon which gets beaten by a good percentage by the 2000 series AMD CPUs but the 5960X Haswell i7 clock for clock still holds its own against the equivalent 2000 series CPU for performance but tend to get a little more out of them via overclocking compared to overclocking the 2000 series though it comes at a cost of higher power draw and more heat.

 

[Vince]

Only skim read but not sure if you are mixing them up - the X5690 is an older Xeon which gets beaten by a good percentage by the 2000 series AMD CPUs but the 5960X Haswell i7 clock for clock still holds its own against the equivalent 2000 series CPU for performance but tend to get a little more out of them via overclocking compared to overclocking the 2000 series though it comes at a cost of higher power draw and more heat.

I'm not mixing it up. The 2700x in my Mrs machine is under custom water with 3200mhz c14 memory and the whole machine including the cooling set me back £400! The point was that the same or similar performance can be had for less money than upgrading to a x5690 i7. I think the 2700x is most likely a quicker overall package than the 5960x even if its by small margins as suggested in that post.

 

[Rroff]

I'm not mixing it up. The 2700x in my Mrs machine is under custom water with 3200mhz c14 memory and the whole machine including the cooling set me back £400! The point was that the same or similar performance can be had for less money than upgrading to a x5690 i7. I think the 2700x is most likely a quicker overall package than the 5960x even if its by small margins as suggested in that post.

Ah position of the X was throwing me out so was doubling checking.

 

[Vince]

Ah position of the X was throwing me out so was doubling checking.

Stupid naming, they are now doing it with that 10900 now and im in a permanent state of confusion

 

[Rroff]

I don't even know not sure I even care LOL what the naming convention is on the 10xxx series hah.

 

[koooowweeee]

@Vince your arguing for arguing sake.

 

[Vince]

@Vince your arguing for arguing sake.

If you say so dude. I was under the impression this was a discussion forum where discussion takes place. So far your argument has been "but you can buy a 5 year old second hand CPU for £160." and my retort has been go and do that but it is a terrible value proposition and poor advice while also citing potential better value propositions. We get you don't see it that way and that's fine. Move on.

 

[koooowweeee]

If you say so dude. I was under the impression this was a discussion forum where discussion takes place. So far your argument has been "but you can buy a 5 year old second hand CPU for £160." and my retort has been go and do that but it is a terrible value proposition and poor advice while also citing potential better value propositions. We get you don't see it that way and that's fine. Move on.

Off you pop again

But it's not going to cost that is it.

Ok lads, Don't upgrade anything, Never buy used, it's all pointless

 

[LeMson]

Off you pop again

But it's not going to cost that is it.

Ok lads, Don't upgrade anything, Never buy used, it's all pointless

Unfortunately it would cost me that though. I don't think my 5820k is very sellable after pumping 1.8V through it a couple of times, I could lie but that's not the sort of guy I am.

 

[koooowweeee]

Unfortunately it would cost me that though. I don't think my 5820k is very sellable after pumping 1.8V through it a couple of times, I could lie but that's not the sort of guy I am.

Hahaha. I went up to 1.7 for a few benches with my 2600k there were a bench thread on here and I got to 2nd. It just wouldn't go any higher at all. 5.2something with a blck overclock as well.

If your selling old parts it's worth it. If not or it's broke ln then no. Buy Ryzen. I've always had intel since me 2500+ Bartoncore (if memory serves) but at this moment in time if I was to get a new rig it would be Ryzen

I would defo pass on your Xeon rig. They still hold up for fortnight rigs. I'm in the middle of building one for my friends kid.

I build them for fun for my friends

 

[LeMson]

Hahaha. I went up to 1.7 for a few benches with my 2600k there were a bench thread on here and I got to 2nd. It just wouldn't go any higher at all. 5.2something with a blck overclock as well.

If your selling old parts it's worth it. If not or it's broke ln then no. Buy Ryzen. I've always had intel since me 2500+ Bartoncore (if memory serves) but at this moment in time if I was to get a new rig it would be Ryzen

I would defo pass on your Xeon rig. They still hold up for fortnight rigs. I'm in the middle of building one for my friends kid.

I build them for fun for my friends

It's thanks to Asus on the voltage, nothing to do with me. I've never sold any hardware, still have an 80mb HDD from 35 years ago or something

 

[koooowweeee]

It's thanks to Asus on the voltage, nothing to do with me. I've never sold any hardware, still have an 80mb HDD from 35 years ago or something

Hahaha I have one under the bed. And a 160gb that died with pictures one

Yeah I had a flap about the Asus overvolting thing when I first heard about it. But ive never had any warning and I'm on the latest bios, apparently it fixed that issue.