8 PACK MEMORY RANGE GROWING: SAY HELLO TO 8 PACK RIPPED EDITION & 32GB KITS!!!

Skynet5 · 31 May 2020 at 10:18

Just doing XMP and then tightening tfaw and trfc gets you 90% there anyway on your max.

Learn about those two... And that's a better place to be. Better than XMP, and you've learned what youve changed and why.

GregI · 31 May 2020 at 13:48

The problem I noticed with the calculator is that I think it bases the timings off "standard" memory kits. For example, in terms of B-Die the 3600C16 1.35v A0 is popular in the Trident Z Neo, the 8 Pack and some other manufacturers. This is what the non XMP A0 is most likely based on.

Take the ripped as an example. Without importing XMP, the DRAM calc expects I would be able to run 14-14-15-14 at 1.37v... this would never be stable.

Skynet5 · 31 May 2020 at 13:54

I've noticed that no one has posted better scores with the ripped stuff than shac or myself...

Troezar · 31 May 2020 at 14:50

Anyone noticed the price has risen? At least the C14 stuff. Glad I bought when I did.

Skynet5 · 31 May 2020 at 15:03

Troezar said:
Anyone noticed the price has risen? At least the C14 stuff. Glad I bought when I did.

It was a discounted preorder price.

Troezar · 31 May 2020 at 15:11

lnoton said:
It was a discounted preorder price.

Good point, my short memory or just fatigue from 4 hours of concreting! Need to get old stuff up for sale to pay for them. Looks a good time to sell some old parts with current shortages.

M4xson · 31 May 2020 at 16:54

Joxeon said:
The official settings is the XMP.

But what about the other settings?

Joxeon · 31 May 2020 at 16:58

opethdisciple said:
Base timings are:

1.7.3:

14 15 15 15 30

1.7.0:

14 14 15 14 28

tfaw is also less

1.7.3 is no good in my opinion. It spits out slow timings.

Here they are side by side:

1.7.3 timings and score:

1.7.0 timings and score:

Just downloaded 1.70 and comparing to 1.73 I see no difference in timings with manually imported 8 pack 3200/14 at 3600 or 3800 so not sure where your seeking this. The 14 14 15 14 28 is just the non imported V1 settings on both versions though it's called A3/A2/B2 on the later version instead of V1.

M4xson · 31 May 2020 at 17:19

Using 1.7.3 and importing XMP I got 14,14,14,14,28 timings so I'm not sure why I'm getting different from opethdisciple. Edit: I see it now, 3200 kit vs 3600 kit.

So I've done a full CMOS clear by removing the battery and without changing any memory settings in the BIOS so it's running at 2400 I've had one fast boot from cold so that's progress although I don't want to run my 3600 RAM at 2400. The next boot from cold I had 4 seconds of the loud GPU period. From there I've enabled DOCP to get the memory running at XMP speed and the next cold boot wasn't fast but not the slowest but I'll see how it goes with the next few power cycles.

Troezar · 31 May 2020 at 17:58

M4xson said:
Using 1.7.3 and importing XMP I got 14,14,14,14,28 timings so I'm not sure why I'm getting different from opethdisciple. Edit: I see it now, 3200 kit vs 3600 kit.

So I've done a full CMOS clear by removing the battery and without changing any memory settings in the BIOS so it's running at 2400 I've had one fast boot from cold so that's progress although I don't want to run my 3600 RAM at 2400. The next boot from cold I had 4 seconds of the loud GPU period. From there I've enabled DOCP to get the memory running at XMP speed and the next cold boot wasn't fast but not the slowest but I'll see how it goes with the next few power cycles.

What motherboard and CPU do you have?

M4xson · 31 May 2020 at 18:06

Troezar said:
What motherboard and CPU do you have?

Asus Prime X470-pro and latest BIOS. R5 3600. I need to put this stuff in my sig.

Joxeon · 31 May 2020 at 18:44

Just running memtest on the 3200/14 kit @3800 14 15 16 15 30, needed 1.47 to boot and 1.49 to stop throwing errors, so far so good 20 minutes in but still a long way to go.

Space Monkey · 31 May 2020 at 18:46

Joxeon said:
Just running memtest on the 3200/14 kit @3800 14 15 16 15 30, needed 1.47 to boot and 1.49 to stop throwing errors, so far so good 20 minutes in but still a long way to go.

Were the other settings left on auto?

Joxeon · 31 May 2020 at 18:53

Space Monkey said:
Were the other settings left on auto?

The other timings are from the A3/A2/B2 timings from the latest dram calc as they are a bit tighter than what I was getting from importing.

Still not sure if I will run this daily as its quite a bump in voltage from the 3800/16 timings that I had been using @1.42v

Space Monkey · 31 May 2020 at 18:55

Joxeon said:
The other timings are from the A3/A2/B2 timings from the latest dram calc as they are a bit tighter than what I was getting from importing.

Thanks, good to know

opethdisciple · 31 May 2020 at 21:34

lnoton said:
I've noticed that no one has posted better scores with the ripped stuff than shac or myself...

This is based on FCLK. The best scores will be from those chips with an FCLK of 1900MHz. That's step one. The next step is gonna be dram quality and what it's capable of.

My 3700x only does 18000MHz FCLK so already the ceiling is set for what my max bench scores can achieve.

I get your point about tweaking the ram further, but for the vast majority including myself that's what I use the calculator for. I just want plug and play numbers.

opethdisciple · 31 May 2020 at 21:48

What I thought though was that the timings where to be taken together... not individually tweaked here and there.

Or is it the case that that is the case but for pairs or trips of values rather than the whole lot together?

Anyway... you lot have now got me wanting to see if I can make my ram go faster now...

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Nah not gonna tweak anymore. It's pretty good as is.

opethdisciple · 31 May 2020 at 21:58

Joxeon said:
Just downloaded 1.70 and comparing to 1.73 I see no difference in timings with manually imported 8 pack 3200/14 at 3600 or 3800 so not sure where your seeking this. The 14 14 15 14 28 is just the non imported V1 settings on both versions though it's called A3/A2/B2 on the later version instead of V1.

You are correct. I wasn't switching it to manual in 1.7.0 and going V1. So my bad. They are now identical when you use the imported XMP profile.

Shac · 31 May 2020 at 22:14

@Inoton

I've noticed that no one has posted better scores with the ripped stuff than shac or myself...

Yea I have been watching to see if anyone gets close using these. So far no at 3600 or 3800 settings.

opethdisciple · 31 May 2020 at 22:37

I'm having another go atm and have a slightly faster score.

With trfc is it just a matter of finding the lowest value it is stable at?