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970's having performance issues using 4GB Vram - Nvidia investigating

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That's what I don't get I went from a 290 to a 970 and have had no issues with it at all and wouldn't send it back and go back to the 290 if you paid me tbh but that's my personal choice. If people are having problems with games I get it but the people who arnt and its doing the same job since they bought it are sending it back I really don't understand going through the effort its only a £300 gfx card at the end of the day.

The 960 reviews coming out with up to date drivers are showing great performance only bettered by 980 and dual cards mostly but it's up to the end user at the end of the day.
 
leon4112 said:
That's what I don't get I went from a 290 to a 970 and have had no issues with it at all and wouldn't send it back and go back to the 290 if you paid me tbh but that's my personal choice. If people are having problems with games I get it but the people who arnt and its doing the same job since they bought it are sending it back I really don't understand going through the effort its only a £300 gfx card at the end of the day.

The 960 reviews coming out with up to date drivers are showing great performance only bettered by 980 and dual cards mostly but it's up to the end user at the end of the day.
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If i had spent £300 pounds on anything i would dam well expect it to work as advertised. Next time your gas bills out by 300 pounds just pay it, after all whats a lowly 300 pounds to anyone :rolleyes:
 
richardmr2354 said:
If i had spent £300 pounds on anything i would dam well expect it to work as advertised. Next time your gas bills out by 300 pounds just pay it, after all whats a lowly 300 pounds to anyone :rolleyes:
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End of the day people who are into pc hardware spend it regardless and current average wages of 26k a year and most are on a lot more than this £300 is hardly a lot of money these days when most blow 600-700 on monitors with black light bleed and other issues which isn't any different. Considering these cards working the same way since they came out if it was a card breaking issue people would have noticed a lot earlier than this and not forget most review sites are saying it's all hype and they would still recommend this card over anything else at the price bracket for 1080p as per the reviews with current drivers in my post above.

Even the 290x 8gb cards are 10 fps slower at 1080p than the 970 ( I know they arnt really for that Rez)
http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/graphics/76685-sapphire-radeon-r9-290x-vapor-x-8gb/?page=4

And if I wanted a card for 1440p or above I would look into one or a 980 but I'm not.
 
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richardmr2354 said:
If i had spent £300 pounds on anything i would dam well expect it to work as advertised. Next time your gas bills out by 300 pounds just pay it, after all whats a lowly 300 pounds to anyone :rolleyes:
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Agree a 300 quid card should have more ram than 3.5 gb....it's the damn principle of the thing....


I got rid of my gimped 970.... And told tell me for one that nvidia didn't know exactly what they were doing....it's not on...I'm no mug....

Accepting it is being a right mug IMO...regardless of if you are happy with the cards performance...it's not what we knowingly bought...
 
leon4112 said:
I dont see a problem tbh people who wants to send them back do it the card is the same card when bought and people raving about it, toms hardware guide has made the best reference so far

"You’re a muscle-car buff and you decide to test drive the new 2015 Dodge Charger Hellcat. The car is advertised as a supercharged 8-cylinder, 6.2 Liter Hemi engine with 24 valves that produces 707 horsepower at 6,000 RPM. It’s one of the most powerful cars you can buy for the dollar, achieving 0-60 MPH in under three seconds and a quarter-mile in under 12 seconds. You take it for a test drive, you fall in love with the car, and you buy it. In the months to follow, you remain quite pleased with your purchase and the performance the car provides.

It later comes out that Dodge made a mistake on its marketing materials: the engine has 16 valves, not 24. It still produces 707 horsepower at 6,000 RPM though, and it still offers the same amazing road performance that it did the day you bought it. It’s still one of the fastest cars you could purchase for the dollar. But you can no longer say you own a 24-valve V8."

But from a purely practical standpoint, this doesn’t really change anything for the end user. The GeForce GTX 970 remains one of the best graphics card buys on the market. It performs the same way it did at launch — which is really good. As such, we will continue to recommend it until there is a better-performing option for the price.

We can empathize with buyers who feel betrayed, though. Nvidia definitely has some mind-share to earn back. But to us the price/performance ratio trumps everything else, and that is no different today than it has been since the GeForce GTX 970 was released.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-gtx-960,4038-4.html

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2015/01/22/nvidia-geforce-gtx-960-review-feat-asus/6

regardless of memory Pr crap its still faster in near all games than a 290x at 1080p as above.
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Except your forgetting or purposely omitting the whole reason this came about !

GTX 970 users started noticing their performance was degrading, they were getting massive stutters and fps drops during games.

That great car analogy you quoted wouldn't sound so great if the Dodge Hellcat was tanking in performance at a certain MPH.. Nooooo that bit was left out..

It was only due to the consumer noticing the tanking performance that Nvidia eventually were forced to admit that the design of the vram meant that when over 3.5GB was utilized performance would tank as it would start using slower vram.

There is the problem. Further investigation revealed that the card actually had less ROPS and Cache as well. (False advertising).

So you can't even claim this is the same card as it was before we knew is. It blatantly isn't. Nvidia have even re specified the card with the correct spec, and still claim no responsibility.

Absolute joke, Nvidia's customer service and your post.

Take the damage control somewhere else.

I would like to echo what Linus Torvalds said to Nvidia, only we can't swear on this forum :p
 
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leon4112 said:
End of the day people who are into pc hardware spend it regardless and current average wages of 26k a year and most are on a lot more than this £300 is hardly a lot of money these days when most blow 600-700 on monitors with black light bleed and other issues which isn't any different and considering these cards working the same way since they came out if it was a card breaking issue people would have noticed a lot earlier than this.
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We are lucky enough to afford the things we have, some people don't have that luxury. I remember the days of not having a lot of money, i sure as hell dont want to go back to them. If you keep blowing off 300 quid all the time, your in for a big shock.
 
Boomstick777 said:
Except your forgetting or purposely omitting the whole reason this came about !

GTX 970 users started noticing their performance was degrading, they were getting massive stutters and fps drops during games.

That great car analogy you quoted wouldn't sound so great if the Dodge Hellcat was tanking in performance at a certain MPH.. Nooooo that bit was left out..

It was only due to the consumer noticing the tanking performance that Nvidia eventually were forced to admit that the design of the vram meant that when over 3.5GB was utilized performance would tank as it would start using slower vram.

There is the problem. Further investigation revealed that the card actually had less ROPS and Cache as well. (False advertising).

So you can't even claim this is the same card as it was before we knew is. It blatantly isn't. Nvidia have even re specified the card with the correct spec, and still claim no responsibility.

Absolute joke, Nvidia's customer service and your post.

Take the damage control somewhere else.
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Hardly damage control if I wanted a amd card I would buy one I've had a 290 and had A 280x before that so I don't have a preference of brand I really couldn't care less. 1% have sent the card back to ocuk for a refund so if this problem as you said is such a massive issue everyone would have it and.... They don't or every card would be going back. End of the day 1% of people have a issue problem or not it's still the fastest card.

People like to complain regareless so a company has made a mistake big deal isn't the first or last time it's going to happen.
 
leon4112 said:
Hardly damage control if I wanted a amd card I would buy one I've had a 290 and had A 280x before that so I don't have a preference of brand I really couldn't care less. 1% have sent the card back to ocuk for a refund so if this problem as you said is such a massive issue everyone would have it and.... They don't or every card would be going back. End of the day 1% of people have a issue problem or not it's still the fastest card.

People like to complain regareless so a company has made a mistake big deal isn't the first or last time it's going to happen.
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^^

That's alright then they made a mistake, falsely advertised. Did nothing to support their customers and denied any responsibility for the mistake.

Yup that's great..

AMD will get my money it's as simple as that.

For those that like being treated like morons stick with Nvidia.

The way your meant to be played.
 
richardmr2354 said:
We are lucky enough to afford the things we have, some people don't have that luxury. I remember the days of not having a lot of money, i sure as hell dont want to go back to them. If you keep blowing off 300 quid all the time, your in for a big shock.
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I've bought and budget for cards since the first 3dfx/m3d cards and used pocket money and paper round to pay for that one and if your having issues finding 300 quid over a few months then you shouldn't be spending it in the first place.
 
Boomstick777 said:
^^

That's alright then they made a mistake, falsely advertised. Did nothing to support their customers and denied any responsibility for the mistake.

Yup that's great..

AMD will get my money it's as simple as that.

For those that like being treated like morons stick with Nvidia.

The way your meant to be played.
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Well good for you that's your choice you've made it why bother posting Im here then you don't even have a 970 stop bothering other buyers and justifying your slower card and stick to the amd threads
 
leon4112 said:
Well good for you that's your choice you've made it why bother posting Im here then you don't even have a 970 stop bothering other buyers and justifying your slower card and stick to the amd threads
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He'll change his tone once he gets another Nvidia card.
You'll notice with boom, if he owns AMD he's their biggest fan. Likewise with Nvidia, when he had his 980 all he would talk about is how great Maxwell is (yup, the 970 as well ;))
 
leon4112 said:
I've bought and budget for cards since the first 3dfx/m3d cards and used pocket money and paper round to pay for that one and if your having issues finding 300 quid over a few months then you shouldn't be spending it in the first place.
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Leon we will have to agree to disagree, the concept of understanding the value of money is completley lost on you. No wonder this country owes so much debt.

You cant use the excuse of well it only 300 quid to excuse nvidia's complete lack of respect for its customers. They got their hand caught in the cookie jar, they either lied or their just incompetent. I know which one i personally believe.
 
easyrider said:
Agree a 300 quid card should have more ram than 3.5 gb....it's the damn principle of the thing....


I got rid of my gimped 970.... And told tell me for one that nvidia didn't know exactly what they were doing....it's not on...I'm no mug....

Accepting it is being a right mug IMO...regardless of if you are happy with the cards performance...it's not what we knowingly bought...
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Good for you mate,

I feel sorry for all 970 users that have had problems with their cards or are wanting to return their cards because of all of this. This isn't about amd vs nvidea. This is about people getting what they paid for.
 
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