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I am against abortion, I just don't think it is right.
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I dont get how people can claim a cluster of cells or a fetus is a person. Theres no brain activity at that stage. Its not properly alive or aware of its own existance.
Its like saying that if a woman has a period and doesn't get pregnant, thats murder! After all that poor little egg never had a chance to become a person.
Its like saying that if a woman has a period and doesn't get pregnant, thats murder! After all that poor little egg never had a chance to become a person.
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An egg and a foetus are very different things.
What confuses me is the quote from the judge "You've robbed a child of a life". Your example with the sperm and/or egg is a bit of an exaggeration but you're still 'robbing a child of a life' if you get an abortion at 20 weeks in my opinion.
A foetus and a baby are very different things too, hell a foetus at 9 weeks is a very different thing to one at 16 weeks.
However the law as it stands is pretty good, if you don't agree with abortion you are not forced to have one.
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What? I don't think you got my point, and I didn't even state my stance.
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what that person did was wrong in so many ways but the one that counts is that she broke the law.
Laws are opinions which are enforced by people with guns...
Born/unborn, and I'm not arguing legalities.
Laws differ depending on which state is enforcing them... Therefore: nope.
It depends, if the child was born alive and she killed it, then it would be murder. If the drugs she took meant a stillbirth then it would be an illegal abortion.
As they do not know where the body of the child is they cannot say either way. Which would mean zero chance of getting a murder conviction.
I think anyway.
The "you" wasn't specifically directed at your personally. I do indeed I have no idea what your stance is so I just covered all the bases.
This isn't much of a counter argument.
Nor is it really guns, more like batons CS spray and people with silly wigs on.
You don't necessarily need a body to get a murder conviction, but it does help tremendously.
I remember watching a programme once (possibly Forensic Detectives or something like that) where the prosecution managed to secure a murder conviction without a body. They showed that the amount of the victim's blood that was discovered meant that the victim would not have enough left to support life. Please don't ask questions, it's a vague recollection!
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You don't necessarily need a body to get a murder conviction, but it does help tremendously.
I remember watching a programme once (possibly Forensic Detectives or something like that) where the prosecution managed to secure a murder conviction without a body. They showed that the amount of the victim's blood that was discovered meant that the victim would not have enough left to support life. Please don't ask questions, it's a vague recollection!
Vegas, Miami or New York?
Does this refresh your mind
Isn't this bloke our resident jihad?
I dismiss anything he says as soon as I see the username.
All the circumstantial evidence point to her having an illegal abortion and not to murder. Why would the CPS libel a murder charge against her when that may not have happened?
There have been a couple of cases in Scotland in the past 2-3 years where there has been no body found and successful murder convictions occurred:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-17754517
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-18663841 edit: this one is ongoing
4 days?
As a male your body will naturally (or with your aid) dispose of millions of sperm on a regular basis and females will dispose of eggs monthly - at 4 days that small amount of cells is closer to sperm/eggs than to a baby.
While I'm not that keen on the idea of abortions myself in general it is sensible to allow the option up to a point (which is a rather arbitrary number time period). At the point where its still just a bunch of cells disposed of by a 'morning after pill' (up to 5 days these days) I really don't have an issue at all. At the point where the mother could give birth prematurely and the baby (potentially) survive I do have an issue.
one of a couple, it's like the weird Christian creationalists SC gets every so often, i'm sure ocuk is on some religious sites or something.
yes you are, suicide is perfectly legal what you can't do is kill someone who asks you to.