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my dad went to the doctors with chest pains,and pains in his arm,the doctor said oh its just a chest infection,later that night he had a heart attack.
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There was no mention of poor language skills. I do not believe that for the vast majority of Indian GP's, culture has any bearing whatsoever on how they perform their job.
Whoa he's still at it 
I'll answer that as I may not have been very clear at the start. I thought that the GP might have been racist due to the fact that I've seen the same GP for my own problems and noticed the dismissive and uncaring attitude, which was exactly how my father described his experience when he came back, and i specifically remember more than one occasion seeing indian visitors leaving his office in a luvvy duvvy chatty friendly atmosphere with him standing in the doorway making sure they were as happy as possible, behaviour i did not experience myself, and nor did my dad. there may be a number of reasons our experiences differed so much, but racism was a high suspect from my perspective. That is all.
I'll answer that as I may not have been very clear at the start. I thought that the GP might have been racist due to the fact that I've seen the same GP for my own problems and noticed the dismissive and uncaring attitude, which was exactly how my father described his experience when he came back, and i specifically remember more than one occasion seeing indian visitors leaving his office in a luvvy duvvy chatty friendly atmosphere with him standing in the doorway making sure they were as happy as possible, behaviour i did not experience myself, and nor did my dad. there may be a number of reasons our experiences differed so much, but racism was a high suspect from my perspective. That is all.
ITT: Hoefz "getting on with his life" watching the thread intently.
Anyway as I said above I'll concede that I assumed wrongly that you were labelling all Indian GPs as "treating their own kind differently" rather than this specific one. I wish you'd added what you wrote above to the original post though, there would've been less ambiguity.
So apologies on my part for misrepresenting your position and criticising you based on that misrepresentation.
Anyway as I said above I'll concede that I assumed wrongly that you were labelling all Indian GPs as "treating their own kind differently" rather than this specific one. I wish you'd added what you wrote above to the original post though, there would've been less ambiguity.
So apologies on my part for misrepresenting your position and criticising you based on that misrepresentation.
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from the horses mouth. just how he said in the op.
Whoa he's still at it
I'll answer that as I may not have been very clear at the start. I thought that the GP might have been racist due to the fact that I've seen the same GP for my own problems and noticed the dismissive and uncaring attitude, which was exactly how my father described his experience when he came back, and i specifically remember more than one occasion seeing indian visitors leaving his office in a luvvy duvvy chatty friendly atmosphere with him standing in the doorway making sure they were as happy as possible, behaviour i did not experience myself, and nor did my dad. there may be a number of reasons our experiences differed so much, but racism was a high suspect from my perspective. That is all.
Do you think Durzel would be crying racist if it was a white doctor who appeared to treat white people better than others?
If there was anecdotal evidence of it, like the quote you've included, sure.
e: Also, since you seem so fond of misquoting and adding 1+1 and getting >2 Tefal, what you've quoted above wasn't "just how he said in the op", it has just come to light now. I know it's only a small point but hey...
e: Also, since you seem so fond of misquoting and adding 1+1 and getting >2 Tefal, what you've quoted above wasn't "just how he said in the op", it has just come to light now. I know it's only a small point but hey...
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well i did explicitly say numerous times i never claimed all indian GPs behaved this way. But whatever, apology accepted, now let's PLEASE move on. 
Back on topic, my dad has just gone in for his CT, will hear the results soon.
Back on topic, my dad has just gone in for his CT, will hear the results soon.
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well i did explicitly say numerous times i never claimed all indian GPs behaved this way. But whatever, apology accepted, now let's PLEASE move on.
Back on topic, my dad has just gone in for his CT, will hear the results soon.
Hope he gets better soon
Right I don't want this to be a medical thread, I'm just going to outline the details of what happened and then comment.
About a month ago my father started getting nasty coughing fits and shortness of breath (this is not going to be a swine flu story by the way). At first we thought it was a cold and he'd get over it, but after a few days it wasn't showing any signs of improving so he went to visit his GP.
I've been to this same GP and other GPs like them who have exactly the same arrogant "I've been to medical school for 7 years therefore I'm brilliant" attitude, and this is the kind of cocky **** who will always have already decided what's wrong with you before you've finished listing all of your symptoms. It's as if they're in a hurry or they are having a race with their colleagues to see how many patients they can zip through in a day, trying to get rid of you as soon as possible.
This **** kept interrupting my father, literally cutting him off, telling him there's nothing wrong with him, that it's just hayfever related allergies (despite the fact that he's 54 and never *ever* had coughing from hayfever, EVER, but obviously this GP didn't listen). So she prescribed him some inhaler that made it a little easier for him to breathe (not exactly a cure), and pretty much said he'd have to deal with these problems for the whole summer. Sounded like crappy advice but the GP was more qualified than anyone else in our family, right?
Anyway, the symptoms did not show any signs of going away despite the inhaler; the hard coughing continued for a few weeks until my mother said enough was enough and took my dad to the A&E about 4 hours ago.
It turns out, all this time he's had PNEUMONIA, and just had a chest x-ray which confirmed it. He's now going to be in a hospital bed for the next 4 days being treated for something that should have been diagnosed a month ago.People can die from pneumonia, and I shudder to think how much worse the situation would have been if my dad wasn't taken to A&E.
A misdiagnosis happens from time to time, and I'm willing to accept that, but FFS, if you are a GP, at least let your patient FINISH HIS ******* SYMPTOM DESCRIPTIONS before you kick him out of the door with a mickey mouse prescription. I mean seriously, how hard is it to listen to 60 extra seconds of patients describing their problems? Perhaps if you did, you'd learn to do your job properly and perhaps save lives.
Is it me or is it impossible to find a decent GP nowadays? I personally have been through 4 different GPs, all Indian, all with exactly the same DISGUSTING arrogant attitude, and all equally useless, one of which no longer practices after misdiagnosing stomach cancer for heartburn, resulting in a death.
At the risk of sounding racist, I do wonder if any of this would have happened if my dad was Indian. I'm sure he would have been treated as if he was "in the club" so to speak, and all of this could have been avoided because the GP actually cares about a "familiar".
It reminds me of a few times sitting in the waiting room, watching an entire indian family of 6 go into the GPs room (pushchairs & all) while everyone else is kept waiting for an extra 30-60mins, and I can hear them being all chummy and laughy and giggly as they are exiting, speaking in Gudgerati or Hindi, as if they were cousins or something. Yet when Mr Whitey walks in, time is suddenly short where a precious 30 seconds could mean a correct/incorrect diagnosis of pneumonia
It makes me feel physically sick and fills me with rage. Sorry about this post but just had to vent
TL;DR version: It seems GPs around here are complete morons with more self-important attitude than genuine caring, with a possibility of racially preferential treatment. They care more about letting their patients know how great they are (by pretending to be amazing at diagnosis) than actually sitting down and taking the time to work out the illness.
your white, this is the reason.
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heofz isnt white though?
Indeed, I'm beige
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Actually to play devils advocate, you didn't say if your dad was an indian friend of THIS doctor, just if your dad was an indian, you also mention "in the club" which would to me suggest, in a group of people larger than just a few and to me reads as "in the club that includes an undetermined number of indians", and only cares about "a familiar", again comes across as as an indian doctor he only cares about other indians. You could have chosen to say his friends, people he's close to, people he knows, but you didn't and the way you worded the whole thing that this indian would treat all indians the same and also the assumption that he treats all other races(or just whites, unclear) differently.
THe guys that came out all pally pally might be his family for all you know, or his best friend, and lets be honest, what doctor wouldn't give his best friend or family more time. You instantly assume its just some random Indian and therefore for only that reason he's giving the different treatment.
Everything about the whole post came across as angry, and rather than just calling this guy incompetant which is what I'd expect someone to do, you specifically brought up race with little evidence and the whole thing together "reads" as someone how just assumes indians treat other people differently and their own better.
THat might not be how you think, in which case, I'd suggest being more careful over your wording. Talking about how he treats another patient who you really couldn't have any clue of what the personal relationship was has NO RELEVANCE whatsoever to your dads "mistreatment". WHich frankly again is anger misplaced as he didn't necessarily have Pneumonia when he went in. A normal cough can over time become more serious. But again this wasn't concidered and all I read is a long post about how this guy clearly mistreated your dad and seems to clearly treat other indians better, with no proof and no thought.
Even if you're not racist, and I won't say you are as its not obvious, someone who is racist could post the exact same and all his conclusions came from his own racist idea's of the situation.
Personally, in the same situation I wouldn't be jumping on the forum to rant in the same way. I might have mentioned the doctor was indian, but the fact he treated some other indians, or spoke to them in a different language wouldn't have entered my mind, neither would the idea that I thought he might be treating "his club" better than other races. If you can't see how that can be mispercieved as sounding borderline racist, i'd put some serious thought into it frankly.
Tefal, I do see your points, but since when has racism only been racism if you specifically say every indian is the same and acts the same.
In this situation, frankly, with one indian doctor and telling us the story of this situation he "could" be completely racist, all the idea's reasoning was racist, but why should he bring up other indians in this thread/post/story. not accusing an entire race doesn't somehow automatically make you not racist. I agree he wasn't overtly, obviously racist, but its borderline, dodgey and could so very easily be misread and that should be very obvious. I thought he could easily be racist in the first post but I wouldn't just write a post accusing someone of it, especially if I wasn't sure.
I think the key here is while not saying anything specifically racist, he was coming up with a LOT of assumptions about an indian guy that could easily be the assumptions of a racist person, he jumped to a lot of conclusions as we all do very often, in this case, those assumptions could very easily be misinterpreted.
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If you're gonna spend so much time in the middle of the night putting together a post at least get your capitilisation correct
.That is pretty much the norm. If you look OK they'll shove you out the door with some re-assuring words or some low grade pills. If you look seriously ill they'll refer you elsewhere without diagnosing anything. All within your 10 minute slot!
I have no confidence in the GP system whatsoever.
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I remember going to see my Dr a couple of years ago and when I walked in I said I have a couple of things to talk about and he said you only have 3 minutes to tell me your problems and you can only really tell me about one problem you would have to make a appointment to tell me about the other one.
I said something along the lines of, I will tell you everything and you will listen and then see what you think is the problem.
Sometimes wonder why we bother
I said something along the lines of, I will tell you everything and you will listen and then see what you think is the problem.
Sometimes wonder why we bother
That's because you have no idea what you're talking about.
What makes you say that ? because he has a different opinion than you.
You do realise that you're not being fair to the next patient?
GPs are only given 10mins PER patient. Its allocated, on appointment. If you take 20mins, then the next patient will be seen late. If everybody does the same, the 12pm patient will be seen at 2pm. You wont like that if you were seen late would you? So play by the rules.
Also, due to time constraints, if he "rushes" you with the 3 other problems, he may miss something. And again, you wont like it, and will probably sue.
Do think of other people, and yourself....