Abu Dhabi Grand Prix 2010, Yas Island Marina Circuit - Race 19/19

Duke said:
Their own, but could become a standard unit in the future when it matures more. Generally the engine manufacturers will supply them to the teams they supply, bar Cosworth (but those teams may opt for the Williams fly wheel solution if they can afford it).
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Did we ever get to see the fly wheel in action? I don't remember it ever coming in, but remember a lot of people saying it could work very well. Kers is a good idea, but was not used to its full potential (or even close) and was brought in too soon. Hopefully it adds to the drama next year :p
 
CaptainRAVE said:
Did we ever get to see the fly wheel in action? I don't remember it ever coming in, but remember a lot of people saying it could work very well. Kers is a good idea, but was not used to its full potential (or even close) and was brought in too soon. Hopefully it adds to the drama next year :p
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Nope but it is used in the Porsche GT3 cup, so the it is well tested in that format.

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/02/11/videos-porsche-911-gt3-r-hybrid-uses-williams-f1-flywheel-kers/
 
We don't even know if McLaren and Mercedes will use the same KERS system next year, rumours suggest McLaren may use a new system (more hydraulic and less battery-electric), whilst Mercedes will use one evolved from the one McLaren raced last year.

Some teams may not use it at all - Virgin for one have said they won't be integrating KERS as the benefit would be at best 3 tenths of a second - when they need to find three seconds. And with a KERS package potentially costing £10m+ (with Mercedes reportedly pricing the system to disuade their engine customers from using it - so Force India may go without), it would be better for the smaller teams to spend the money elsewhere.
 
hiroofheroes said:
We don't even know if McLaren and Mercedes will use the same KERS system next year, rumours suggest McLaren may use a new system (more hydraulic and less battery-electric), whilst Mercedes will use one evolved from the one McLaren raced last year.

Some teams may not use it at all - Virgin for one have said they won't be integrating KERS as the benefit would be at best 3 tenths of a second - when they need to find three seconds. And with a KERS package potentially costing £10m+ (with Mercedes reportedly pricing the system to disuade their engine customers from using it - so Force India may go without), it would be better for the smaller teams to spend the money elsewhere.
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Yep I think they are using their own system. I think Force India need KERS to help make themselves a more established team and not to get lost towards the back of the mid pack again.


Just noticed Rosberg almost over took Massa in the final standings (142 vs 144 points). He did a great job in the Mercedes this season.
 
Duke said:
Yep I think they are using their own system. I think Force India need KERS to help make themselves a more established team and not to get lost towards the back of the mid pack again.


Just noticed Rosberg almost over took Massa in the final standings (142 vs 144 points). He did a great job in the Mercedes this season.
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What even happened to Force India this year? They looked great in testing, still have the technical partnership with McLaren and yet fell further and further back.
 
CaptainRAVE said:
What even happened to Force India this year? They looked great in testing, still have the technical partnership with McLaren and yet fell further and further back.
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They have a great (McLaren) drivetrain and started the season with a good aero package, but just don't have the staff or budget to develop in season to a great extent - especially with losing key staff to Lotus.
 
sunama said:
But Vitaly Petrov wasn't faster than Alonso. Alonso was stuck behind a slower car. That is the nature of this track...it encourages processional racing, as we witnessed today.
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The Renault had better traction and equal or better straight line speed. Alonso had one proper look in what, 25-30 laps? Track is not to blame here.
 
Lopéz said:
The Renault had better traction and equal or better straight line speed. Alonso had one proper look in what, 25-30 laps? Track is not to blame here.
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Alonso was faster in the corners. Vitaly was faster on the long straights, which meant that although Alonso was climbing all over him on the slower sections, when they hit the straights, all Alonso could do is hang on.

Had Alonso been "released", he probably would've opened up a big gap, very quickly.

Hamilton was being held up by Kubica and once "released", his lap times came down by around 1s/lap.

My belief is that, as we saw, the track encourage processional racing, where even if the car behind was 1s/lap faster, the car behind could not even come close to overtaking the slower car in front.
 
Here's my solution.

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Dirty air? Whatever :D
 
sunama said:
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True but on the F1 Forum Helmut Marko says the team gave both drivers equal opportunity. And even if Vettel is 1st at RBR and Webber 2nd, both of them had massive opportunities to win the title this season, and both have chucked them away. We could easily have seen Webber pick up points in Valencia, not have chucked it away in Korea and to have won in Brazil and force the team to have to favour him for the title.

Just because a driver is the team's 2nd doesn't mean that results on the track stop him from being the team's leading chance.
 
Doesn't the Renault engine run secret-sauce software to retard the exhaust gases in high downforce / low speed conditions? Would explain a lot to do with the better traction.

Really didn't enjoy the snorefest today. Whilst satisfying to see Alonso lose out, the way in which it happened was dull.. Same with Hamilton. Both drivers got screwed by Big Yellow when, if circumstances had been different it would have been a lot close. I dare say Hamilton could have passed Vettel.
 
Singapore is interesting, but I have a feeling if it wasn't a night race, it would just be another borefest. It isn't exactly good for racing, it's just different.

Istanbul, China, Bahrain, Valencia are all garbage. Yas Marina and Korea are both passable, but neither are any good for overtaking. I quite like Sepang, the only one of his tracks I do actually like.

Unfortunately, Tilke is here to stay, he's designing the Indian track, the Austin USA track and probably the Russian track (?).
 
EVH said:
Really didn't enjoy the snorefest today.
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I thought it was a pretty boring race today. If Webber, Alonso and Hamilton had been able to run free we could have had an interesting race to see who would have won the title.

Bennah said:
Yes, Singapore is a great track and setting.
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It is excellent. Probably more of a jewel in the crown than Monaco now. I remember Legard saying that companies wouldn't be seen dead in Monaco are turning up to Singapore to do business deals.

Bennah said:
Is / has Tilker done the new Delhi GP?
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He has. Unfortunately. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Grand_Prix

I think the only decent track he's done is the Malaysian GP at Sepang. All the others are pretty rubbish.
 
MarcLister said:
True but on the F1 Forum Helmut Marko says the team gave both drivers equal opportunity. And even if Vettel is 1st at RBR and Webber 2nd, both of them had massive opportunities to win the title this season, and both have chucked them away. We could easily have seen Webber pick up points in Valencia, not have chucked it away in Korea and to have won in Brazil and force the team to have to favour him for the title.

Just because a driver is the team's 2nd doesn't mean that results on the track stop him from being the team's leading chance.
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I think you have to understand the psychology of it all.

If you work in an office, say. Imagine you and your colleague are the salesmen. Both of you have the same opportunity to make the same sales. You are both given the same phone/leads, etc. The difference here is that the bosses in your company are all chummy with your colleague. They are encouraging and maybe even giving some extra equipment.

It is plainly evident that your colleague is being favoured. This environment is not conducive to you doing better than your colleague. In this way, your colleague (effectively the No.1 salesman, is given all the ingredients to outperform you at your job).

I would also contend that had Vettel been leading the title race, in the run in (as Webber was), Webber would be asked to "support" his team-mate. This "support", as the season comes to a close, is quite normal. In fact it is quite abnormal for the leading title contender to not be favoured, as the season draws to a close. However, this is exactly what happened to RBR's No.2 driver, Webber.

With regards to RBR claiming that neither of their drivers are being given preferential treatment - this is utter nonsense. People following F1 for years will know that the No.1 driver always gets preferential treatment...this is normal. Furthermore, Webber, throughout the year has indicated that RBR have favoured Vettel, whenever possible.

In the last 20 years, I can only remember 1 occasion where the No.2 driver was given preference over the No.1 driver (as the season drew to a close) and that was when MSc was asked to support Irvine (1999, the year MSc broke his leg and couldn't compete for the title, while Irvine was in contention for the title). Those were extraordinary circumstances though.
 
I can't help but think it was an anti climax to be honest. Probably because of the two Renaults (who you cant fault for what they did, they where entitled to hold position). I am bitterly disappointed for webber, I have a huge distaste for vettel, and if he thinks he was the no 2 driver this season, next year he'll be lucky if he gets so much of a look in (imho).
 
Unless he outperforms vettel. I'm sure red bull will be more than happy to make webber their prime interest if after 10 races webber has out-qualified and finished ahead of vettel. Webbers future is entirely down to him imo.
 
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