Abu Dhabi Grand Prix 2011, Yas Marina Circuit - Race 18/19

Skeeter said:
Except with Parc Ferme rules, they aren't :confused:
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thats got nothing to do with it at all

Any car can be set up to go better in the race (with fat fuel) or with no fuel for quali (from testing data on Fri/Sat)

Emlyn_Dewar said:
*Checks calendar*

Nah, definitely still 2011, we haven't travelled back in time.
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So explain why one of the all round best racers out there (even if as a human being he is a complete ****) can only manage one pass in 5 races?
The Ferrari isnt THAT bad this season by any means
 
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sunama said:
I love a good conspiracy theory and I prefer to believe theory that RBR wanted to get rid of Webber and Alonso, to allow Vettel to win the race and title.

The truth...we shall never know. Only RBR truly know why they brought in Webber, so early, which is what ultimately allowed Vettel to the title last year.
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Are you forgeting a whole heap of events needed to take place for Seb to win the Title. You honestly believe it was in Red Bulls best interest to hamper the driver with the best chance of winning?
 
Sparky-F1 said:
Are you forgeting a whole heap of events needed to take place for Seb to win the Title. You honestly believe it was in Red Bulls best interest to hamper the driver with the best chance of winning?
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Can we still call you Nuts? :p

I'm not a conspiracy theorist by any means so don't take what I'm about to say as my own opinion, it's just how I can see some people interpreting last seasons events:

There was more than one occasion last year where it looked like the team were giving Seb preferential treatment. It got to the point where Webber had even started believing it himself ("How's that for a number two driver?").

The fact that Christian Horner was swearing blind that you didn't have a 1-2 system, that the drivers were allowed to race and, of course, team orders were banned, made it difficult to work out what was really going on within the team.

It doesn't take a huge leap of the imagination to conjure up a scenario where the team's golden boy is about to get beaten by an 'inferior' driver so they give the other chap older parts or less-reliable information in order to 'construct' the result that they really wanted.

This theory has been enforced this season, rather than broken, by the huge discrepancy between the two drivers when they were so much closer to each other last year and are supposed to be driving the same equipment.

Now, you have said more than once that both guys get the same kit and the outcome of each race is purely down to the driver's ability. I believe you and, as I said, I'm not one of the conspiracy nuts.

However, I'm also a bit of a cynic so I can see where the other camp are coming from.
 
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Sparky-F1 said:
Are you forgeting a whole heap of events needed to take place for Seb to win the Title. You honestly believe it was in Red Bulls best interest to hamper the driver with the best chance of winning?
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Not really...but lets look at the facts shall we.

1=Get vimto on pole..job done now rb can move to step 2
2=bring in webber early(sacrificial lamb) to see if ferrari take the bait..they did...move to step 3
3=Hope that the renault car infront of Alonso holds him up...this was done.. job done.

vimto won..no conspiracy what so ever as they are all facts ;)

Mind you all the BBC commentators and the pit lane guys was saying on TV
that petrov battled like a mad man with Alonso for no reason other then for to get a drive for the next season
and by holding Alonso up he did. renault scored big time..and who had a renault engine in?

just my opinion and nothing more...
 
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deuse said:
Not really...but lets look at the facts shall we.

1=Get vimto on pole..job done now rb can move to step 2
2=bring in webber early(sacrificial lamb) to see if ferrari take the bait..they did...move to step 3
3=Hope that the renault car infront of Alonso held him up...this was done.. job done.

vimto won..no conspiracy what so ever as they are all facts ;)

Mind you all the BBC commentators and the pit lane guys was saying on TV
that petrov battled like a mad man with Alonso for no reason other then for to get a drive for the next season
and by holding Alonso up he did. renault scored big time..and who had a renault engine in?

just my opinion and nothing more...
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So im correct in thinking your proven facts are

1. that we knew Ferrari would cover Mark despite whatever the strategy was for the race
2. One of the best drivers in F1 would not be able to pass a rookie in a Renault for 30-40 laps or whatever it was?

Other than that i agree your theory is correct.
 
Sparky-F1 said:
So im correct in thinking your proven facts are

1. that we knew Ferrari would cover Mark despite whatever the strategy was for the race
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You knew that Ferrari was desperate to win something.
You know that if you bring in the driver that had the best chance of winning the WDC in early Ferrari would cover it off(which they did)
Even Ferrari admit that they made a mistake bringing in Alonso to cover Webber

2. One of the best drivers in F1 would not be able to pass a rookie in a Renault for 30-40 laps or whatever it was?

Other than that i agree your theory is correct.
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Petrov was fighting for no reason what so ever other then hold Alonso up. He could not win anything.
Now if he was in the top 3 then yes.. fight your heart out but he was not.

Lets look at brazil GP when Button won the WDC. Yes drivers put up a bit of a fight but most gave way because they was not fighting for the WDC
and they did not want to be the one that messed it up and go down in history as a numnuts.
 
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deuse said:
You knew that Ferrari was desperate to win something.
You know that if you bring in the driver that had the best chance of winning the WDC in early Ferrari would cover it off(which they did)
Even Ferrari admit that they made a mistake bringing in Alonso to cover Webber



Petrov was fighting for no reason what so ever other then hold Alonso up. He could not win anything.
Now if he was in the top 3 then yes.. fight your heart out but he was not.

Lets look at brazil GP when Button won the WDC. Yes drivers put up a bit of a fight but most gave way because they was not fighting for the WDC
and they did not want to be the one that messed it up and go down in history as a numnuts.
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So your argument now says we knew Ferrari would make a mistake?
we build race cars not read palms.
 
I think petrov was fighting for points, respect his seat and for himself.

You didn't see vettel do the same in brazil for Hamilton. He went for if just like petrov.
 
Sparky-F1 said:
So your argument now says we knew Ferrari would make a mistake?
we build race cars not read palms.
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Where did I say that you knew that Ferrari would make a mistake?
Don't go twisting my words..or are you really Horner no flexy wing man? :D

I did say that you knew Ferrari would cover it as they did in hungary when webber pitted early.
 
Exactly, you are saying we knew Ferrari would have to make a mistake for it to work. dont know about your profession but, we try not to work like that.
 
Sparky-F1 said:
Exactly, you are saying we knew Ferrari would have to make a mistake for it to work. dont know about your profession but, we try not to work like that.
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Twisting words again. You knew that Ferrari would have to cover off webber as he had the best chance of winning the WDC.

And seeing Webbers lap times on hard tires they fell for it..and webber was brought out in traffic and that was the end of his race.

Anyway...we need a miracle in Abu Dhabi RAIN :D
 
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