Abu Dhabi Grand Prix 2012, Yas Marina - Race 18/20

What, I'm not talking about his monotone delivery with his limited use of the english language. I'm talking about the persona he's currently creating where he gives off a vibe that he doesn't care about podiums, or that he made out in the interview with DC that the win was just a shrug of the shoulders.

He knows that attitude is becoming very very popular. Perhaps Mclaren kept him on a tighter leash, who knows but they don't seem the same people are picking up points and a win.

Meh he looked like his granny had just died when he won he title for Ferrari in Brazil.

But I suspect he does play on the "Iceman" persona.
 
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Meh he looked like his granny had just died when he won he title for Ferrari in Brazil.

But I suspect he does play on the "Iceman" persona.

Really?

He even shoehorns shell into the interview :D


Your nan must be rich if you celebrate winning like that....

From 1.20ish, he even jumps on the car :D

 
Its always just been about the racing for Kimi, winning is just a by product that he isn't that bothered with. He doesn't care if its an F1 car, a snowmobile, or a NASCAR, he just wants to race. The results are irrelevant.

One of the reasons he left WRC is that he didn't really like the racing against the clock aspect. All it took was one Truck Series race to make him realise he wanted to be back out on a track racing other people.
 
Its always just been about the racing for Kimi, winning is just a by product that he isn't that bothered with. He doesn't care if its an F1 car, a snowmobile, or a NASCAR, he just wants to race. The results are irrelevant.

One of the reasons he left WRC is that he didn't really like the racing against the clock aspect. All it took was one Truck Series race to make him realise he wanted to be back out on a track racing other people.

See I just don't believe that. If you just want to have fun and hate the media and are already rich beyond your wildest dreams you don't need to go back to F1 into the pressure and unfriendly nature of the f1 paddock?

If that was the thing that Irked him most about F1, why go back when you can have so much fun racing wheel to wheel elsewhere? It's not like the racing has been all that competitive (wheel to wheel) and you can spend races just pacing yourself.

I understand why rallying might not be fulfilling a racing spirit, wheel to wheel but if that's your love and you detest the media then F1 is not the place to full fill those dreams?

I think he cares more than he lets on or wants to let on.
 
Yes but even further from his Gran has just died like you wrongly claimed.

I did not realise you would take it so literally he had just won the title and looked non fussed which fits in with how he has always been and not as you wrongly claim is just now an act.
 
Yeah jumping on the car and celebrating, yeah that's right non fussed. I didn't bring that time up, you did. I've grown used to you never being able to admit you are wrong though and re-twisting to suit your current agenda.
 
If you enjoyed Snooker and were good enough to hold your own on the World Tour, would you just not bother and stay at local club level beating all your mates?

I imagine the 'pressure and unfriendly nature' of the F1 paddock has a lot to do with what the team expect of you. To get Kimi in I doubt Lotus have been able to tie him down to much.

When you read a lot of the interviews and things he did while he was in Rallying he goes on a lot about how he hates the media, but also about how he hated the traveling and long commitments that F1 brought with it, but based those references on his times mainly at McLaren, and then a bit at Ferrari. Lewis Hamilton has said similar things about McLaren in terms of their non race weekend commitments. He was asked about a return to F1 a lot and most of the time said he wasn't that interested due to the above.

However, like I said, after 1 NASCAR race he seemed to change his tune. He started talking about how much he loved racing and if he is racing, why not do it at the highest level? I would imagine his return to F1 with Lotus has meant he has negotiated as little of the stuff he doesn't like as possible in return for doing what he does like.

Its far more to do with the team than the sport as a whole. I think RBR's non race commitments from Vettel are in the single figures in terms of number of days per year, while McLaren are up in the 50's.
 
But wasn't kimi offered a drive with Red Bull prior to his departure? He had the option then to negotiate good terms and Red Bull at the time where even more laid back, remember the pre-race notes they used to put out?

They would have fitted him perfectly at the time, yet he chose to walk away, Montoya too :(

Anyway it's good he's back, shame it's in that car :(
 
Now go and do the calculations for every other driver.

And get your maths right too. It was 16 seconds gained on the leader in the first SC period and 26 in the second. And while he got a 'free' pitstop under the SC, he made 2 stops in total, one more than most other people.

That's nice, but of the 14 cars Vettel was actually racing against, he only passed five of them under his own steam. He also caused two collisions for which he loudly blamed everyone else.

Vettel is a spoiled child, an arrogant jerk and a poor racer. If he wasn't in a Newey car that lets him get out front, his name would be Sebastian Who.
 
Yeah jumping on the car and celebrating, yeah that's right non fussed. I didn't bring that time up, you did. I've grown used to you never being able to admit you are wrong though and re-twisting to suit your current agenda.

Jumping on the car? he climbed out walked down it and raised his arms, yeah talk about twisting things......you are wrong and just can't admit he has always been this way.

Go ask on a Ferrari forum if they got any passion from Kimi. But it's all just an act now right.....
 
If he wasn't in a Newey car that lets him get out front, his name would be Sebastian Who.

Points in his first race for BMW (aged something like 18), and a win in a Toro Rosso.

Yeah, sure, Sebastian Who :rolleyes:

Whats your view on Webber then? If you think Vettel is a poor driver only propped up by the car, you must think Mark is utterly terrible.
 
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Yeah jumping on the car and celebrating, yeah that's right non fussed. I didn't bring that time up, you did. I've grown used to you never being able to admit you are wrong though and re-twisting to suit your current agenda.

Jumping on the car? he climbed out walked down it and raised his arms, yeah talk about twisting things......you are wrong and just can't admit he has always been this way.

Go ask on a Ferrari forum if they got any passion from Kimi. But it's all just an act now right.....

We ought to agree to disagree and just accept we have different viewpoints keeping this civil :)

Whats your view on Webber then? If you think Vettel is a poor driver only propped up by the car, you must think Mark is utterly terrible.

What are you on about, they're all terrible!! That's why they're all racing at the top of their game, in the fastest cars, in Formula 1, earning the most money ;)
There is no denying Vettel is an amazing driver, anyone who says otherwise is clearly a moron/retarded/trolling. It's fine to dislike the guy however, much like it is fine to hate on ManUtd. Everyone hates them, but you can't take it away from them that they are/were a great team.
 
Points in his first race for BMW (aged something like 18), and a win in a Toro Rosso.

Yeah, sure, Sebastian Who :rolleyes:

Whats your view on Webber then? If you think Vettel is a poor driver only propped up by the car, you must think Mark is utterly terrible.

Marks never been a stand out driver. I like the guy, but he's not an incredible racer. He must surely have the worst grid start history on the grid surely?

If he could actually get off the line he could be easily better placed. His quali results aren't bad, but part of that comes down to the rb. Seb consecutively beats Webber by a small amount in quali, but look how much Lewis or Alonso often beat their respective drivers by. Now Massa's not great, but Button is hardly shabby. I remember earlier in the season they asked button why he wasn't doing so well when Lewis was, he said he didn't know, and asked where Lewis was faster than him, he just replied everywhere....

Vettel is by no means a bad driver on the grid. Alonso is better though. Simple.

kd
 
But I suspect he does play on the "Iceman" persona.
Pretty much the way I see it in his return but it does come from a geniune place, whens hes not interested hes just not interested and doesnt pander to the media one little bit.

Its his exploits off camera that humanises him so that what you see on camera just shows how much hes detests the actual circus.

Is it really that difficult to understand after having a long break from F1 that he might have wanted to come back to the peak of motorsports that he obviously enjoys? Its not like when he left F1 he stopped racing, in fact he probably did just as many events if not more...

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
Points in his first race for BMW (aged something like 18), and a win in a Toro Rosso.

Yeah, sure, Sebastian Who :rolleyes:

1) That Toro Rosso was identical to the Red Bull and was designed by Adrian Newey. My point stands.

2) Vettel's point in USA 2007 was only scored because several drivers ahead of him had mechanical failures. He qualified 7th, but screwed up at the start and dropped to something like 12th or 14th. (I believe he was almost 20 when he scored it, BTW. Nobody's yet driven an F1 car even in a practice session at younger than 19.)
 
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