Abu Dhabi Grand Prix 2012, Yas Marina - Race 18/20

Tenzo · 6 Nov 2012 at 15:25

It's the finger that generates all the hate for Vettel.

cuke2u · 6 Nov 2012 at 15:30

Hi, Kimi has always played mind games with the press and the media, I've known him to do this for as long as he's been in F1. That's just the way he is and it always makes me laugh when everyone calls him an 'iceman' when he is a party beast away from everything else. I think he brings something to the sport sadly lacking with these corporate churned out drivers.
Ever since the day that MB, at least I think it was, asked where KM had been on his pit walk KM just replied that he'd been for dump. LOL love it.
Keep telling them Kimi that 'yeah yeah yeah I know what to do with all the tyres' please. As if some engineer who hasn't ever driven a F1 car could tell him what needs to been done....
Chris

Duke · 6 Nov 2012 at 15:49

Skeeter said:
For 2012, I agree.

I would have said from ~2009.

Skeeter · 6 Nov 2012 at 15:59

JeditOjanen said:
1) That Toro Rosso was identical to the Red Bull and was designed by Adrian Newey. My point stands.

You mean the Ferrari engined Toro Rosso that was identical to the Renault engined Red Bull that was so dominant that they finished 6th and 7th in the WCC? :rolleyes:

2) Vettel's point in USA 2007 was only scored because several drivers ahead of him had mechanical failures. He qualified 7th, but screwed up at the start and dropped to something like 12th or 14th. (I believe he was almost 20 when he scored it, BTW. Nobody's yet driven an F1 car even in a practice session at younger than 19.)

Yeah, he was 19. But he still scored a point on his debut, and topped the timesheets in the testing sessions he did in 2006 too. He also came 4th in China in 2007.

Why are you so determined to try and convince us all he's nothing but an also ran who would be coming last in anything other than a Newey RBR? You also haven't explained how he's considerably better than Webber in the same car.

Mr Men · 6 Nov 2012 at 16:02

The Renault engine that was down on power and they have since been allowed to upgrade it you mean?

Monza, nah engine power does not matter there at all

Duke · 6 Nov 2012 at 16:09

Mr Men said:
The Renault engine that was down on power and they have since been allowed to upgrade it you mean?

Monza, nah engine power does not matter there at all

Renault have done very well, Lotus seem to make the most of them as well. Would be good to have some insider stats on the power/fuel usage they all have at present.

Mr Men · 6 Nov 2012 at 16:10

Is there still a engine freeze when the new engines come in?

RoboCod · 6 Nov 2012 at 16:28

Mr Men said:
Is there still a engine freeze when the new engines come in?

I'm confused, are the new engines 100% going ahead??

Skeeter · 6 Nov 2012 at 16:39

Yes.

Even Bernie has admitted its now too late to stop it.

Mr Men · 6 Nov 2012 at 16:40

Captain Planet said:
I'm confused, are the new engines 100% going ahead??

Not sure, I imagine not

Zuban · 6 Nov 2012 at 16:49

anyone else seen this? quite interesting, dont know what to make of it and dont want to get embroiled in a new flexiwing debate, but look at the height of the wing relative to the undernose bargeboard when the guy twists the camera's.

Jono8 · 6 Nov 2012 at 16:56

Vettel, Alonso and Hamilton, and perhaps Kimi are the fastest/best drivers in F1 right now. I dont think that can be disupted.

I think, the trouble with rating Vettel as the best though, even though he has won the last two titles and looks like he may win this one aswell, is that Newey's Red Bull is often the fastest car on the grid. With Alonso, we have seen him do great things without being in the best car, and with Hamilton, we have seen him match Alonso point for point in the same machinery.

For me, at the moment i would rate them as

1st Alonso
2nd Hamilton
3rd Vettel
4th Kimi

Duke · 6 Nov 2012 at 16:57

Zuban said:
anyone else seen this? quite interesting, dont know what to make of it and dont want to get embroiled in a new flexiwing debate, but look at the height of the wing relative to the undernose bargeboard when the guy twists the camera's.

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Yep was posted in the other thread. The wing dropping was due to the rear wheel jack going up I expect.

Skeeter · 6 Nov 2012 at 16:57

Zuban, its just the front of the car dropping as the rear end is jacked up.

Zuban · 6 Nov 2012 at 16:59

yes i know but why would that change the height of the wing relative to the under nose bargeboard? lifting the rear that gap would stay the same no?

Mr Men · 6 Nov 2012 at 17:04

people are missing the obvious, look at the yellow part on bottom right, it seems to warp when the camera housing is moved. The wing dropping is not the issue.

Skeeter · 6 Nov 2012 at 17:04

Because when you lift the rear the pivot point is the front axle, which is where the barge boards roughly are.

Duke · 6 Nov 2012 at 17:15

Mr Men said:
people are missing the obvious, look at the yellow part on bottom right, it seems to warp when the camera housing is moved. The wing dropping is not the issue.

I assumed that was already noticed

Reading about it, most think it is thin layer of carbon fibre, which allow movement, rather than rubber.

Mr Men · 6 Nov 2012 at 17:15

Duke said:
I assumed that was already noticed Reading about it, most think it is thin layer of carbon fibre, which allow movement, rather than rubber.

Seems most are just talking about the wing dropping.

Skeeter · 6 Nov 2012 at 17:21

I was like "ooo, new person in the F1 thread!"

Then noticed its Duke with a shiny new sig

It will be thin carbon fibre. The engine cover is the same, it wobbles all over the place. Any carbon fibre bodywork that isn't structural is going to be as thin as possible. The crash structure part of the nose will be hidden inside, with the outer layer just being a thin aerodynamic cover.