Abu Dhabi Grand Prix 2013, Yas Marina - Race 17/19

Yes, but there wasn't going to be a later point in the race if Kimi intended to bang into someone and pull straight off the track. Which is exactly what he did.

Yeah, but given the lack of speed difference, it was a bit of a freak failure - there wasn't even enough force to make the Caterham slide.

If he just wanted to stay at home he had that opportunity before weekend had begun (with him not being paid), but he went through practice and qualifying before deciding on race day "oh stuff it"? Nah, I just don't think his heart was in the race, and the move suggested that, in which case it probably was best he retired from it ASAP.
 
Crofty suggested something in commentary about Kimi. If he is going to take legal action against the team then he needs to make sure he upholds his end of the contract by racing.

It doesn't however, mean he has to put any effort in. So while I expect he will be in the remaining races, don't expect any more than a token effort from him.
 
I really never understand this , guy in fastest car, starting from basically the front, in clear air which is a freaking monumental advantage under current car style/tyres/aero effects, is fastest? What part of clear track, fastest car, no one could come close to him makes it a "raced like a true champion"?

His total domination of his team mate in the same car who had an even better chance to win (since he started on pole).
 
His total domination of his team mate in the same car who had an even better chance to win (since he started on pole).

This proves that Webber is crap, not that Vettel was better than anyone else. Vettel was miles faster than Webber in qualifying and made a noticeable mistake on his final qualifying lap, without that he'd have been on pole(if not Hamilton). Webber didn't have a better chance to win, with Webber's starts I think we all know Vettel would need to be about..... 13 places further back than Webber to suggest Webber had a better chance to win :p

If people think Vettel was 2 seconds faster a lap PURELY on driving ability, they are mental, if they sanely agree that was mostly down to the car(if not all) then he was clearly under no pressure at any stage of the race.
 
Given that RBR understand how to get the best out of new rules, it is difficult not to see RBR in 1st place in 2014.

Still stranger things have happened, but at this stage, Vettel should get his 5th title in a row, next year.

I firmly believe that Merc will be RBR's closest challengers next year, though we have to wait until the first test to start making any reliable predictions.

As for this year, the only interest I have is how many wins can Vettel get in a row. He is on 7 right now, which equals MSc's best. One more and he will be ahead of MSc and only Ascari's record set in the 1950s will be better.

For Vettel, seeing as no other team is serious about winning, it has to be about records.
Next year, he is going to attack Senna's race win total of 41. He is currently on 37 race wins. He should also be on par with Fangio, with a 5th title.

The rest of the field are currently only good enough to fight for 2nd, so that's what they shall continue to do.

Alonso and Kimi have completely lost interest.

I'm quite sad that F1 has come to this, but this is the reality of F1. Until the FIA create rules to kerb RBR's dominance, this shall continue.

I believe that the only team consistently capable of stopping RBR is McLaren, with arguably the best resources in F1. Their problem is the toothless management and drivers who are not of Vettel's calibre. Whitmarsh should've been sacked the moment he replaced Hamilton with Perez. That was unforgivable and shows McLaren's ambition. I refuse to believe that they had any hope of winning the title this year.
 
webber is crap imo, compared to vettel anyway
if you take out conspiracy theories anyway

RBR seem to have the complete package, maybe not the best drivers, but vettel is obviously good, but pretty much the best everything else, near the top with spending power and near the top with efficiency with it. Everything they do seems to improve the car
feraari apparently have the most finance but definitely not good at translating that to the track
merc seem to be inbetween the two
mclaren i cant explain tbh,

the rest i dont think can match the spending power of the top teams, and this gap cannot be made up even with near 100% maximisation of the resources at their disposal. Also the need to employ pay drivers further reduces potential


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Mclaren are soulless. Thats there issue as well as loss of personnel.
Its why they make so many tactical mistakes, they go by what the computer says, not split second gut instinct.
They just make stupid mistakes all over. Like putting the part on the wrong way around, making pre season testing pointless.
Stuff up pitstops, although they seem to of solved that.
And they lack a driver who can set a car up regardless of how good or bad it is.
 
Mclaren are soulless. Thats there issue as well as loss of personnel.
Its why they make so many tactical mistakes, they go by what the computer says, not split second gut instinct.
They just make stupid mistakes all over. Like putting the part on the wrong way around, making pre season testing pointless.
Stuff up pitstops, although they seem to of solved that.
And they lack a driver who can set a car up regardless of how good or bad it is.

I find you dont hear anything about them anymore, like anything, they are becoming as invisible as torro rosso
 
Given that RBR understand how to get the best out of new rules, it is difficult not to see RBR in 1st place in 2014.

Still stranger things have happened, but at this stage, Vettel should get his 5th title in a row, next year.

I firmly believe that Merc will be RBR's closest challengers next year, though we have to wait until the first test to start making any reliable predictions.

As for this year, the only interest I have is how many wins can Vettel get in a row. He is on 7 right now, which equals MSc's best. One more and he will be ahead of MSc and only Ascari's record set in the 1950s will be better.

For Vettel, seeing as no other team is serious about winning, it has to be about records.
Next year, he is going to attack Senna's race win total of 41. He is currently on 37 race wins. He should also be on par with Fangio, with a 5th title.

The rest of the field are currently only good enough to fight for 2nd, so that's what they shall continue to do.

Alonso and Kimi have completely lost interest.

I'm quite sad that F1 has come to this, but this is the reality of F1. Until the FIA create rules to kerb RBR's dominance, this shall continue.

I believe that the only team consistently capable of stopping RBR is McLaren, with arguably the best resources in F1. Their problem is the toothless management and drivers who are not of Vettel's calibre. Whitmarsh should've been sacked the moment he replaced Hamilton with Perez. That was unforgivable and shows McLaren's ambition. I refuse to believe that they had any hope of winning the title this year.

How grossly unfair to compare Vettel with the likes of Senna! Senna is leaps and bounds ahead of any driver that has set foot on this planet. And I realise that you aren't directly comparing Vettel to Senna but then what is the point of saying driver x beat driver y on race wins if you aren't comparing them?
 
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Mclaren are soulless. Thats there issue as well as loss of personnel.
Its why they make so many tactical mistakes, they go by what the computer says, not split second gut instinct.
They just make stupid mistakes all over. Like putting the part on the wrong way around, making pre season testing pointless.
Stuff up pitstops, although they seem to of solved that.
And they lack a driver who can set a car up regardless of how good or bad it is.

Let's put it this way - it's not like Mclaren can get any worse is it? Things can only improve - and the signs are there - as you just said - the pitstops do seem to have been resolved.

They are pushing fervently to sign drivers like Alonso, and being very brash and open about it - this is despite MW stating that "Perez deserves another go with us" referring to the fact that they handed him a truly horrific car to drive this year.

If that's not ambition then what is?

Signing Head of Aerodynamics at Red Bull [Peter Prodromu] - Done that.

Signing another undisclosed senior figure from the Red Bull Aerodynamics' dept. - Check.

Mclaren have the resolve and fortitude to bounce back from this season and as JB has stated - this year will only make the team stronger. Heck, better to have a year like this in 2013 instead of 2014.

And both drivers can set cars up, especially Jenson. If he couldn't he wouldn't be making his team mates so :mad: that they have to tweet car set ups/telemetry to the rest of the world ;) :D
 
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Im sure they will bounce back.
We al know when the cars bad Jb isn't great. Alonso or hammy would be pulling the car far higher. Jb a good driver. But mclaren still need one of the top three.
I think they'll have an even better chance in 2015 once the team gells a bit more and can develop the engine on their own terms with Honda, rather than getting what ever merc say.
Still praying they get ross for 2015 or earlier as well.
 
webber is crap imo, compared to vettel anyway
if you take out conspiracy theories anyway

RBR seem to have the complete package, maybe not the best drivers, but vettel is obviously good, but pretty much the best everything else, near the top with spending power and near the top with efficiency with it. Everything they do seems to improve the car
feraari apparently have the most finance but definitely not good at translating that to the track
merc seem to be inbetween the two
mclaren i cant explain tbh,

the rest i dont think can match the spending power of the top teams, and this gap cannot be made up even with near 100% maximisation of the resources at their disposal. Also the need to employ pay drivers further reduces potential


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Merc had the problem that they lost funding and most of the team in the Brawn year so while they started with the best car they didn't have the money/people to develop the car through the year, RBR's biggest strength in almost every season so far. Unfortunately that lack of cash/people meant after Brawn became Merc the previous year's work for next years car was... meh. Then it took them 2 years to increase spending and get in people. They did that pretty much by early last year which is why they had easily the biggest increase of anyone this year in competitiveness, just from too far back.

Thing is Merc have got their team in order BEFORE the 2014 car, get that right and you're going to be in a very strong position up to the next big rule change, get it wrong, you won't be.

Mclaren have finally got some good people signed up but frankly for too late, if they don't have a great car next year then don't expect the new aero guy to create miracles, expect Merc today situation. Improvement on a fundamentally flawed car underneath. Their driver situation is also an issue. If Mclaren screw up the 2014 car(based on this year I'd be surprised if they haven't), then the new aero guy won't even make a big difference till 2016.. Merc brought people in up to late 2010 because they can have a huge influence on the 2014 car. Mclaren not only utterly screwed this car, it was a horrible horrible move from the start. Everyone has tweaked the hell out of 4-5 year old cars, Mclaren have the least tweaked car with the least amount of testing, stupid idea from the very first second. Likewise Mclaren to do a new car would likely have put more work into 2013 than anyone else and almost certainly as a consequence less work on the 2014 car than most........ whoever thought a new car in 2013 was a good idea is a complete ******* retard. The resources and money that could all have gone on the 2014 car....... at the cost of pushing the team massively backwards. People should be fired for that level of incompetence IMHO. I think in all the extra effort on 2013 they've thrown away essentially any chance at a good 2014. Hamilton probably knew what was happening with the 2013 car, knew they were focusing on that rather than 2014... I wouldn't be surprised if he saw the writing on the wall and was a huge part of why he left, which is yet another terrible result of awful decisions Mclaren are making.

Either way, F1 would be more exciting even if Vettel lapped everyone because that car is soooo good, if the tyres actually let the drivers race. It's basic, cruise around at 85% of your limit, few to no mistakes, few engine failures, few troubles in general. Put every car at 98% of their limit because the tyres don't hurt them. The red bull would be pushed harder, it will fail more often, all their cars will. People will try harder overtakes without being massively punished for locking their brakes, braking late and overly hard, accelerating hard out of corners, going off line.

This season would have been better to watch even if Vettel won more races, if we had better tyres and everyone was trying harder. Alonso, Kimi, Hamilton, Vettel, just about everyone has said it's basically boring because they aren't racing the cars, but cruising. We as the viewers can feel Alonso's boredom, we can see when he wants to make a daring move on the outside but knows it will screw up his race. It's not fun because the drivers aren't having fun because they aren't actually racing, they are tyre conserving.
 
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webber is crap imo, compared to vettel anyway
if you take out conspiracy theories anyway



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lol, what? Have you not watched the past few years of F1 or something?

"imo".... yes..... do you have any background in engineering? I'm guessing that's a probably not.
 
Alonso has been referred to the hospital due to a 28g impact going over the kerb.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/24798485

BBC have updated the article to say Alonso will be back for more checks.

From his twitter:

Fernando Alonso ‏@alo_oficial 18h

Hello! Thanks for all the support messages! The night was so so, I will do more tests this afternoon and try to be 100% as soon as possible!
 
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