Abu Dhabi Grand Prix 2013, Yas Marina - Race 17/19

The Palmersport single seaters at Bedford have a system that tracks the cars position in relation to the track, if you cut a corner too much your engine power is cut for a couple of seconds.

The FIA could easily have the ability to control the cars remotely via the standardised ECUs and the existing systems in place for regulating KERS and DRS etc so a similar system could easily be implemented to ensure that anyone who goes 4 wheels off for any reason loses enough time that there's no benefit to doing it deliberately.

If there are concerns about false detection/safety/drivers not being in control of the car then an alternative would be that if you go 4 wheels off it is detected and a warning light is activated in the cockpit. The driver is then given a certain amount of time to find a safe point to press a button which will cause the car to reduce power (and flash the rain light to warn following cars of a slow vehicle) or they can appeal the decision which is then manually reviewed (with a drive through if you either don't comply or lose your appeal to prevent frivolous appeals)
 
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so even if they were out on their own no cars within 10seoocnds ahead or behind, you would still give them a penalty.
Your better of naturally punishing driving mistakes by modifying tracks. There are several easy ways to achieve this.
 
Skeeter said:
Yes. Why wouldn't you? Unless your suggesting qualifying should be just a free for all?
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How about the race, give someone a drive through for making a msitake wrecking the race and the spectacle.
Why not solve two problems with one stone, rather than issuing penalties to half the grid for one rule or another. Penalties do not make a good sport.
Why not solve the issue and increase the fun of watching and the skill needed to drive.
 
Glaucus said:
How about the race, give someone a drive through for making a msitake wrecking the race and the spectacle.
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Because you would only penalize people who gained an advantage!

Christ, like a brick wall.

Yes, the better solution is better track designs, but that doesn't look likely either.
 
You shouldn't be able to pick and choose rules. If it ruins the spectacle don't have the rule and let everyone cut the corner. If you are out on your own cut a corner and gain an advantage it's no different to being in a squabble. What happens if you then have a bad pitstop but maintain your place because of said corner cut?

Either enforce or drop
 
al4x said:
Either enforce or drop
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This. If the FIA can't (or wont) do anything about it then get rid of the rule.

That's not really an option though, as there needs to be a defined layout. Just imagine the shortcuts you could take at some tracks where the layout is just painted on a mass of tarmac!
 
Skeeter said:
Because you would only penalize people who gained an advantage!

Christ, like a brick wall.
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So as I don't agree its a brick wall.

al4x said:
You shouldn't be able to pick and choose rules. If it ruins the spectacle don't have the rule and let everyone cut the corner. If you are out on your own cut a corner and gain an advantage it's no different to being in a squabble. What happens if you then have a bad pitstop but maintain your place because of said corner cut?

Either enforce or drop
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Agreed, but you also have to be sensible about how the rules are applied, or over ruled in driver briefing like the other race was.

Personally races with lots of drivers penalised is no good.
Better to change tracks than change the rules.
 
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Glaucus said:
so even if they were out on their own no cars within 10seoocnds ahead or behind, you would still give them a penalty.
Your better of naturally punishing driving mistakes by modifying tracks. There are several easy ways to achieve this.
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Yes. If you make a mistake and go off the track you should suffer some consequence.

Back in the day if you went off you'd almost certainly either get stuck in the gravel (race over), have your suspension ripped off (race over) or at least damage a wing or something. If you got away with it you considered yourself very lucky.

In the name of safety all of the gravel and grass etc are slowly being replaced with tarmac run offs. From a safety point of view this makes sense but the drivers are exploiting the situation and regularly going off as a matter of course, knowing they'll get away with it, when leaving the track ought to be a last resort. Missed your braking point? Never mind, just run wide, and lose a second or so...

If I had my way I'd line the track with stingers but we have to make some concession to safety ;)
 
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Theres easy ways around that, use kerbs, use extra grippy tarmac, use fake grass strips etc. lots of solutions have been suggested, would work well and are cheap and easily implemented.
Far better to bring the consequences back safely than contrived rules.
 
As we all know fia rules are meaningless as well as open to interpretation.

Whens the last time anyone got punished for advantage, outside of qualifying and overtaking.

This also isn't what fia are doing now, its what fia should be doing. You think that the rules should be 100% enforced, regardless of a 0.0001 second gain in the middle of nowhere, or a two place gain in a cut corner.i would rather the tracks where chnaged.
 
Glaucus said:
Theres easy ways around that, use kerbs, use extra grippy tarmac, use fake grass strips etc. lots of solutions have been suggested, would work well and are cheap and easily implemented.
Far better to bring the consequences back safely than contrived rules.
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Kerbs big enough to stop drivers going over them deliberately become launch ramps under some circumstances, drivers don't like that.
Extra grippy tarmac gives more grip. Drivers will be all over that like a rash.
Fake grass strips don't seem very effective when they've been used in the past. (Plus there have been cases of them getting pulled up)
 
It doesn't need to be big enough to do that, just big enough to lose time.
The extra grippy tarmac destroys tyres, its extremely grippy, they wont be all over that at all.
 
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