Poll: Abu Dhabi Grand Prix 2021, Yas Island - Race 22

Rate the 2021 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix out of ten. If you want. I can’t be arsed.


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Well this thread should probably be closed if it’s true Mercedes won’t appeal any further.

All you’ll get is people repeating the same stuff over and over again from each sides of the camp to the point we will probably go back through 10-15 years of F1 arguing each case.

Over the course of this season I can honestly say Max fully deserves to be the WDC, in fact both of them do but there can only be one. Anyone suggesting either of them don’t is just purely deluded and shallow at this point. You can reference so many controversial decisions over the season but we can be grateful we have witnessed an epic season which came down to the last lap of the last race of the season.

It’s nice to finally see another driver win a WDC and looking forward to even more competition next year. Hopefully it’s more than two teams fighting it out for wins and championships, the last thing we want is one team to dominate again.

FIA need to get their act together, but they have been like this for far too long so who knows.


Careful. I got hassle for saying that! :D
 
Completely agree with Brawn here:

"Ross Brawn didn't know whether to be happy or to be annoyed: "The decision in the last lap is a highlight that cannot be topped. Unfortunately, the protest takes a bit of the shine from this final." The Englishman takes the much criticized race director Masi under protection: "It is not acceptable that the team bosses put Michael under such pressure during the race. Toto Wolff cannot demand that a safety car should not come, and Christian Horner cannot demand that the cars have to lap back. That is at the discretion of the race director. We will stop this contact next year. "

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de...fia-rennleiter-michael-masi-f1-reagiert-2022/
 
Imo saying Masi did it to gift Max the win is crap, obvious Lewis fans would say that. Why the hell would Masi favour one driver over another. He did it to stop the race ending under SC conditions. Maybe he made some bad decisions, but hey were all human. Both drivers raced a good race, unfortunately for Lewis the mistakes made by race control at the end meant Max was in a position to pass and win. But that is not Max's fault, under the same circumstances Lewis would have passed Max

It's nothing to do with the drivers.

It was done to manipulate, create drama. Ultimately about viewing figures. Regardless if it was done with good intentions, the optics look terrible.

If it does get more views. Well the director do more of this in the future as he'll have been vindicated.
 
Hoping Norris or Russell can do well next season, hoping the new regs shake it up a bit and we dont have to see this type of thing again.

What a shame for both drivers is all I keep thinking, a superb season like that did not deserve that finish and all of this.

Who knows maybe if they had just left the lapped cars there Max may have won anyway....or binned both of them trying lol. Masi robbed us of finding that out, not because he was bribed but probably because he was put through insane amounts of pressure by both teams all through the GP.
 
This sums it up well for me. I have sympathy for Lewis, but had the ball been on the other foot you would have seen identical behaviour (protests/counter-protests) from both teams - just switched around.

There is an easy temptation, given the acrimony around Verstappen’s snatching of a victory that looked for 57 laps like a lost cause, to portray his championship as somehow tainted.
But this does him the gravest disservice. He won the most races this year, amassed the most pole positions, led the most laps, and was on the podium more times than any other driver in F1 history.
If consistency is the defining virtue of a champion, then he delivered it in abundance. He also showed superlative race-craft to shade the last-lap shoot-out as Hamilton defended for all his worth.
- Oliver Brown, Chief Sports Writer, The Telegraph.
 
Completely agree with Brawn here:

"Ross Brawn didn't know whether to be happy or to be annoyed: "The decision in the last lap is a highlight that cannot be topped. Unfortunately, the protest takes a bit of the shine from this final." The Englishman takes the much criticized race director Masi under protection: "It is not acceptable that the team bosses put Michael under such pressure during the race. Toto Wolff cannot demand that a safety car should not come, and Christian Horner cannot demand that the cars have to lap back. That is at the discretion of the race director. We will stop this contact next year. "

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de...fia-rennleiter-michael-masi-f1-reagiert-2022/

Brilliant , sounds like Masi is staying put then :cry: More incompetence and inconsistent from race control in 2022 :rolleyes: The chaperoning of the race director by team bosses needs to stop for sure though , Christian asked for just one lap and got what he wanted:mad:
 
Completely agree with Brawn here:

"Ross Brawn didn't know whether to be happy or to be annoyed: "The decision in the last lap is a highlight that cannot be topped. Unfortunately, the protest takes a bit of the shine from this final." The Englishman takes the much criticized race director Masi under protection: "It is not acceptable that the team bosses put Michael under such pressure during the race. Toto Wolff cannot demand that a safety car should not come, and Christian Horner cannot demand that the cars have to lap back. That is at the discretion of the race director. We will stop this contact next year. "

This is absolutely the correct response from Brawn - not surprising from a good leader.
 
I would have accepted a Max win if they'd left the lapped cars in situ as they originally said. I happen to think he'd have pulled it off given the tyre advantage and I don't think many people could argue it would have been a champion's drive.

However, to suddenly move them out of the way of Max but prevent Sainz/Riccardo/et al from battling for 2nd/3rd stinks.

Yep, as irritating as it would have been, and unlucky to Lewis, it would have been within the rules. We know a sfaety car can upend things.

However, Mercedes made the strategy call for Lewis based on the known rules. It was incredibly unlikely that the track could be cleared and all the cars could unlap themselves in time OR that Max had enough time to pass 5 backmarkers in ~1 lap to get close enough to overtake Lewis. THAT is what Merc based their decision on and they were correct.

Suddenly the whole way a safety car works got thrown out of the window though, meaning that Merc had no way of making a reasonable strategy call at the time the safety car was called out.
 
This sums it up well for me. I have sympathy for Lewis, but had the ball been on the other foot you would have seen identical behaviour (protests/counter-protests) from both teams - just switched around.

- Oliver Brown, Chief Sports Writer, The Telegraph.

A lot of that is clear bull **** though. A - he only had more wins due to the ridiculousness of Masi on that last lap yesterday B. It isn't "superlative racecraft" to overtake a fairly equally powered car on 40 lap old hards when you have brand new super softs. The braking and traction differences are massive - any driver on the grid (and possibly in any car) could have done it.
 
This sums it up well for me. I have sympathy for Lewis, but had the ball been on the other foot you would have seen identical behaviour (protests/counter-protests) from both teams - just switched around.

- Oliver Brown, Chief Sports Writer, The Telegraph.
I think this is why some Lewis fans are annoyed. Lewis would have beaten Max to the title despite all the wins, podiums, poles and laps led... if it wasn't for that decision.

Oh well. The more I think about it, the more ridiculous it seems.
 
I don’t think anyone is saying Max didn’t deserve this title!!!

What is really worrying is the manner he won it being influenced by the Race Director not following the rule book.

I don’t want the result to change now but, I hope Mercedes push for a reform of the rules, stewardship and race directorship.
 
A lot of that is clear bull **** though. A - he only had more wins due to the ridiculousness of Masi on that last lap yesterday B. It isn't "superlative racecraft to overtake a fairly equally powered car on 40 lap old hards when you have brand new super softs. The braking and traction differences are massive - any driver on the grid (and possibly in any car) could have done it.

Give it up Jono8, it's over, are you not getting tired of repeating yourself in every post?

Max is the WDC 2021, that decision wont be overturned now.
 
I don’t want the result to change now but, I hope Mercedes push for a reform of the rules, stewardship and race directorship.

Yes this is what needs to be addressed, it's just damning and quite shocking that many of the users in this forum seem to think this has happened all of a sudden when in fact this has been status quo for many many years.
 
Give it up Jono8, it's over, are you not getting tired of repeating yourself in every post?

Max is the WDC 2021, that decision wont be overturned now.

No one is forcing you to take part or read the posts.

i imagine you don't like reading the posts, because you don't like the truth.
 
Yes this is what needs to be addressed, it's just damning and quite shocking that many of the users in this forum seem to think this has happened all of a sudden when in fact this has been status quo for many many years.

It hasn't been the 'status quo' for many years though has it? This is a completely disingenuous viewpoint.

What has been the 'status quo' is that they struggle to make consistent decisions between similar incidents from one race to the next and often leave teams feeling bitter about decisions that seemingly went the opposite way only a week or two beforehand. These are subjective decisions, normally from the stewards (but also Masi this year deciding what he will or won't refer to them) that can be argued one way or another and so will naturally suffer from this to some degree.

What absolutely hasn't been the 'status quo' is well established and routinely implemented rules being casually cast aside so the race director can make up his own rules on the spot (especially at such a critical juncture) - unless you can point to other examples of that happening routinely enough to be considered the status quo?
 
Yes this is what needs to be addressed, it's just damning and quite shocking that many of the users in this forum seem to think this has happened all of a sudden when in fact this has been status quo for many many years.

Takes something like this to bring it to the top.
It's why I only watch f1 for entertainment now. I prefer to watch highlights. It's not a fair sport at all. This year was a damn good show!
 
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