Poll: Abu Dhabi Grand Prix 2021, Yas Island - Race 22

[Kanpai]

It hasn't been the 'status quo' for many years though has it?

Lack of consistency of ruling from the FIA? Yes it has

 

[Kenai]

Lack of consistency of ruling from the FIA? Yes it has.

No, try reading the rest of my post and addressing what I actually said.

 

[Kanpai]

No, try reading the rest of my post and addressing what I actually said.

Everything you just said ultimately resorts to a failing of FIA applying the rules consistently.

 

[Kenai]

Everything you just said ultimately resorts to a failing of FIA applying the rules consistently.

No, it doesn't - it explains the difference between making inconsistent calls on subjective racing incidents and arbitrarily abandoning the ruleset.

The latter is not the status quo and to pretend it is, is either thoroughly misguided or willfully ignorant.

 

[Deleted member 651465]

Takes something like this to bring it to the top.
It's why I only watch f1 for entertainment now. I prefer to watch highlights. It's not a fair sport at all. This year was a damn good show!

Perhaps you need to watch the WWE but I'd rather it was a sport than a show. Yes, this year has been great but not for the FIA's attempts to throw it back and forth to create drama.

 

[MM-Seat]

Yes this is what needs to be addressed, it's just damning and quite shocking that many of the users in this forum seem to think this has happened all of a sudden when in fact this has been status quo for many many years.

Sigh… again, I don’t think anyone has said otherwise but, this decision seems to be the worst of them all and it’s massively affected the championship.

 

[MM-Seat]

I think I’m done now with this thread anyway as we are going in circles.

Have a good Off season guys, see you for winter testing!!!

 

[koolpc]

Because maybe some of us understand the role of the race director and that he orshe

The only thing Lewis did 'better' was when he pulled away from the grid at the start, but even that could have been down to the car's setup. He had the faster car and the circuit suited the handling of the Mercedes, he said so himself. So no he wasn't the better driver at all.
Those baying for race director's blood seem to forget why he is there, Masi is the RD and the RD can intervene in a race at any point at their and the stewards discretion. Was it sporting, no it wasn't and that is how this is coming across to everyone. However no-one could have guessed that Max would have been able to overtake Lewis, anything else could have happened. I feel that all Masi and the stewards were trying to do was to bring about the end of the race under racing conditions instead of under the safety car. A bold decisions and as it turned out, in hindsight, not the right one.
However some of the comments in the thread go right over the top and are, in reality, far worse than anything that took place yesterday. I am sure the poor man has had to go into hiding due to some of the behaviour of, so called, fans...

Well said

 

[Mr Men]

Amusing to see people genuinely arguing that Hamilton could or should have somehow been able to defend an entire lap on 40 lap old hard tyres vs a car on new soft tyres.

Perez showed it could be done though....Lewis only really needed to defend 2 corners the rest there is not much chance to pass....

 

[Demon]

Rough would have been Latifi crashing 5 laps earlier. Safety car coming out and either no overtaking or letting the whole field come past. Yes it would have been cruel but it would have been accepted. What happened yesterday was blatant making up the rules to have influence in race outcome. It is match fixing in its purest form. Every man and his dog knew what was going to happen.

Hamilton was 12 seconds ahead before the safety car and bossed the whole race. He didn't decide what Latifi was going to do and the race should have finished under the safety car or the correct procedure should have been followed before restart. Carlos Sainz himself was stuck behind lapped cars. Why was he not allowed to race?

I am surprised that none of the betting companies haven't logged anything yet as I am sure it has cost them plenty.

Yes, and that making up of the rules IMO was massively influence by the reported lobbying by Horner, badgering Masi to let Max have a go..

But, all that said, stuff happens and had the shoe been on the other foot, we'd have been rationalising that in a more accepting way..

What we can all agree on is Masi/FIA need another shake up.. We have an era where Max feels very empowered to drive in the most unsportsmanlike manner possible.. he's a proper panto villain and of course the FIA and Masi seem to have encouraged this through their actions, and it'll come around to bite them.

 

[Armageus]

Christian asked for just one lap and got what he wanted

That's being deliberately misquoted by many here... the actual quote was:

Lap 57:

Christian Horner: “Why aren’t we getting these lapped cars out of the way?

Michael Masi: “Because Christian, just give me a second… My main big one is to get this incident clear.”

Horner: “You only need one racing lap.”

https://www.crash.net/f1/news/994710/1/getting-manipulated-how-late-f1-drama-unfolded-over-radio

 

[Kenai]

Perez showed it could be done though....

Is that a serious post or a wind up?

 

[Kanpai]

arbitrarily abandoning the ruleset.

Yeah says you....whereas FIA are arguing their interpretation of the rules:

https://www.reddit.com/r/F1Technica...king_153_of_the_2021_f1_sporting_regulations/

Ultimately any incidents which recall upon the FIA are going to be different interpretations of the rules and that's what I'm trying to say, there is a lack of clear ruling.

For Lewis it's a shame because it's come at the biggest moment of his career, but given the lack of competence from FIA over the years it was going to happen at one point or another.

One thing is for sure, there is major lack of clarity in these regulations and that needs addressing, let's hope Mercedes can take the fight to them cause they appear to have the resources to do so.

 

[Jono8]

Perez showed it could be done though....Lewis only really needed to defend 2 corners the rest there is not much chance to pass....

No he didnt.

Lewis took Perez almost immediately but Perez managed to get back at him due to DRS. There was no DRS on the final lap so Lewis was **** having 40 lap old hards compared to brand new softs. The time delta between near end of life hards and brand new softs would have been colossal.

 

[Kenai]

Yeah says you....whereas FIA are arguing their interpretation of the rules:

https://www.reddit.com/r/F1Technica...king_153_of_the_2021_f1_sporting_regulations/

Ultimately any incidents which recall upon the FIA are going to be different interpretations of the rules and that's what I'm trying to say, there is a lack of clear ruling.

For Lewis it's a shame because it's come at the biggest moment of his career, but given the lack of competence from FIA over the years it was going to happen at one point or another.

One thing is for sure, there is major lack of clarity in these regulations and that needs addressing, let's hope Mercedes can take the fight to them cause they appear to have the resources to do so.

Says me and seemingly any other rational thinking person not swayed by undying support of Verstappen or needing to cover their arse as a member of the FIA.

 

[the wopster]

Yeah says you....whereas FIA are arguing their interpretation of the rules:

https://www.reddit.com/r/F1Technica...king_153_of_the_2021_f1_sporting_regulations/

Ultimately any incidents which recall upon the FIA are going to be different interpretations of the rules and that's what I'm trying to say, there is a lack of clear ruling.

For Lewis it's a shame because it's come at the biggest moment of his career, but given the lack of competence from FIA over the years it was going to happen at one point or another.

One thing is for sure, there is major lack of clarity in these regulations and that needs addressing, let's hope Mercedes can take the fight to them cause they appear to have the resources to do so.

He’s already quoted the rule in a previous race
"There's a requirement in the sporting
regulations to wave ALL the lapped cars past,"

 

[Shocky-FM]

Perez showed it could be done though....Lewis only really needed to defend 2 corners the rest there is not much chance to pass....

Agreed, Hamilton left the door open, he should have blocked and forced Max to go around. Might not have been successful but at least it would have made things a little more difficult for Max.

 

[Jono8]

He’s already quoted the rule in a previous race

If Mercedes do take this to court, I imagine that the above could prove particularly damning. It would show that he knew the rules, but in this race he applied totally different and made up rules, either simply for a spectacle, or at worse to influence the title one way.

 

[Kanpai]

Says me and seemingly any other rational thinking person not swayed by undying support of Verstappen or needing to cover their arse as a member of the FIA.

That made me chuckle...nothing to do with Max here and he shouldn't be penalized in any way for what happened in the last few laps...or are you insinuating Massi done this to let Verstappen win?

 

[Journey]

"Sporting Regulations" it's almost laughable calling them that, maybe Masi just temporarily forgot the definition of sporting.

The FIA cannot call this a sport anymore if the rules aren't followed, so it's no longer F1 Motorsport, just driving cars fast and seeing what nonsense is made up on that day. So perhaps if this isn't sorted fairly then all discussion of F1 should be removed from the Motorsport sub forum, and put in it's own place called clowning around in cars.