Abu Qatada

Yas786 said:
Right and its very easy to go to USA and become a citizen is it??. .
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Yes really and if you're Irish you get a free 3 year work permit if you go through the right channels. I've got dual citizenship with the US easy ;)
 
asim18 said:
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You are talking as if that is the worst government decision/expenditure ever :confused:

What about all the chavs on benefits who spend all their money on Stella? Surely that's should be an exponentially bigger worry of where your tax monies are going.

May I ask why it isn't?
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WOW this good coming from a drug using reborn Muslim ;) nothing against Muslims just the retarded few.
 
deuse said:
WOW this good coming from a drug using reborn Muslim ;) nothing against Muslims just the retarded few.
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The **** you on about?

Firstly, I don't even practise Islam.

Secondly, I'm not on benefits.

Thirdly, I pay for my drugs with my own hard earned money.

I don't have a problem with retards in general, only the ones who come at me bro.
 
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Castiel said:
And how does removing British Citizens actually accomplish this? Where are the Children going to go, they were born here, they have British Nationality, as far as I know they have no other...
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Where did I say they should have their British citizenship removed? I said they shouldn't have been given it in the first place. Do you understand the not so subtle difference here?

This isn't anything that other countries don't do. Just because you're born in China doesn't make you a Chinaman.
 
scorza said:
Where did I say they should have their British citizenship removed? I said they shouldn't have been given it in the first place. Do you understand the not so subtle difference here?
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They were not given it, it was theirs by right...the same rights that ensure your citizenship.

And, yes a person born in China (in similar circumstances to the children under discussion where they have no other Nationality) is generally considered to be a Chinese Citizen under their laws.
 
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Everyone agrees that he's a bad guy and that he needed to be deported - but no one can assert what it is exactly he said or did that they disagree with, backed up with hard evidence.

All anyone's going on is what they read in the papers or what politicians say. Who are all probably pandering to the masses anyway.

At least with Bin Laden he had ****ing videos. We do not have a clue with this guy, we just have to take the governments word for it. Mass hysteria.


Can someone in the know please point to the evidence? Is there a transcript of this alleged fatwa, for instance?
 
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Robosapien said:
Everyone agrees that he's a bad guy and that he needed to be deported - but no one can assert what it is exactly he said or did that they disagree with, backed up with hard evidence.

All anyone's going on is what they read in the papers or what politicians say. Who are all probably pandering to the masses anyway.

At least with Bin Laden he had ****ing videos. We do not have a clue with this guy, we just have to take the governments word for it. Mass hysteria.
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As far as I am concerned he was fairly deported to a country we have a mutual treaty with to answer criminal charges in that country. It is up to that country to try him and determine his guilt or innocence in their courts.
 
Castiel said:
As far as I am concerned he was fairly deported to a country we have a mutual treaty with to answer criminal charges in that country. It is up to that country to try him and determine his guilt or innocence in their courts.
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Interesting. Can't really argue with that.
 
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Except that the ECHR opposed his extradition in 2012 under grounds that he would almost certainly face torture and that evidence used against him would've been obtained via torture. But now Theresa May has forced it through by means of this supposed treaty. (And he voluntarily seems to have decided to leave in any case).

Why he was granted asylum in the first place again?


Appreciate that the questions of his guilt may not actually relevant, but if what is alleged against this guy is true, it should've been easy to charge and convict him under British counter-terrorism laws in the first place, no?
 
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Robosapien said:
Except that the ECHR opposed his extradition in 2012 under grounds that he would almost certainly face torture and that evidence used against him would've been obtained via torture. But now Theresa May has forced it through by means of this supposed treaty.

Why he was granted asylum in the first place again?
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He was recognised as a political refugee and was subject to torture in his native Jordan and other Arab nations along with quite a few other Islamists, so he fulfilled British requirements for granting Asylum at that time.

The mutual treaty allows that Abu Qatada will be retried in Jordan without evidence that was obtained under or by torture...this presumably overturned the former conviction in his absence for terrorism. The ECHR would no longer be applicable to his defence, so presumably he realised that any further legal avenues were no longer open to him.
 
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so he fulfilled British requirements for granting Asylum at that time.
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ISTM that one of the conditions of such a grant is that one should not bad-mouth and generally diss ones Hosts!

Any asylum grant should be immediately overturned if the grantee does so! (Or indeed, commits any criminal offence)

Furthermore. Since the granting of asylum is always likely to be a source of international tension. IMO Grantees should be expected to keep their heads down and not engage in public/publicity hunting activities! Don't embarrass ones Hosts and all that!
 
I forgot about this thread yesterday, but I will be sure to respond to specific questions this evening. In the mean time, you can chew the fat over this.

Former Professor of Human Genetics at Oxford University said:
By about 6,000 years ago, the pattern was set for the rest of the history of the Isles and very little has disturbed it since...

...this is our Celtic/Pictish stock and, except in two places, it has remained undiluted to this day. On our maternal side, almost all of us are Celts.

One myth that the genetic evidence certainly does not support is the relic status of the Picts. Their ancestors, just like the rest of the people of the Isles, have been there a very long time, but they are from the same basic stock. They are from the same mixture of Iberian and European Mesolithic ancestry that form the Pictish/Celtic substructure of the Isles. It is very clear from the genetic evidence that there is no fundamental difference between Pict and Celt.

...From this evidence the succession of Saxon/Danish invasions during the turbulent centuries after the Romans departed did leave a mark on the stubbornly Celtic indigenous bedrock in parts of England. It is a real presence, but it is by no means overwhelming....there are far more people with Celtic ancestry in England, even in the far east, than can claim to be of Saxon or Danish descent.

Overall, the genetic structure of the Isles is stubbornly Celtic, if by that we mean descent from a people who were here before the Romans and spoke a Celtic language. We are an ancient people, and though the Isles have been the target of invasion and opposed settlement from abroad ever since Julius Caesar first stepped on to the shingle shores of Kent, these have barely scratched the topsoil of our deep-rooted ancestry. However we may feel about ourselves and each other, we are genetically rooted in a Celtic past...just a little way beneath the surface, the strands of ancestry weave us all together as the children of a common past.
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Several other leading academics are of the same opinion. The idea that the British are a mongrel race is in short, false.
 
Good riddance to a bad person. Hope you regret the way you treated us as you could have lived a long hair peaceful life here if you chose to give up your twisted views.
 
badcompany said:
Good riddance to a bad person. Hope you regret the way you treated us as you could have lived a long hair peaceful life here if you chose to give up your twisted views.
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Treated who?

Quite frankly, not once did i care the entire time he was here...ever.

I do wonder however, just how important his strange usage of a hook for a hand, played into the childhood fear of the fictional character.

What a laugh it would be if the correlation was made.
 
Castiel said:
They were not given it, it was theirs by right...the same rights that ensure your citizenship.

And, yes a person born in China (in similar circumstances to the children under discussion where they have no other Nationality) is generally considered to be a Chinese Citizen under their laws.
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Oh ffs you really can't admit that you're wrong can you? For the umpteenth time I'm arguing that they should not have that right for just being born her. At no time was Abu Qatada stateless - he's had Jordanian citizenship throughout this sorry affair so why on earth you made your irrelevant second statement is beyond me.
 
He looks like jerk and has radical viewpoints that don't fit in, but worst of all having him here didn't help anyone but him, so pointless.

Should have been kicked out long ago instead of wasting our tax money.

I scoff at the people trying to be clever by defending him or pretending they don't see a reason to evict him.
 
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