Abu Qatada

[Frightful Boar]

Oh ffs you really can't admit that you're wrong can you? For the umpteenth time I'm arguing that they should not have that right for just being born her. At no time was Abu Qatada stateless - he's had Jordanian citizenship throughout this sorry affair so why on earth you made your irrelevant second statement is beyond me.

That guy has more time than you to argue. You cannot win. Choose life.

 

[Jono]

Treated who?

Quite frankly, not once did i care the entire time he was here...ever.

I do wonder however, just how important his strange usage of a hook for a hand, played into the childhood fear of the fictional character.

What a laugh it would be if the correlation was made.

Qatada didn't have a hook for a hand.... Do you even know who we're discussing here?

 

[StriderX]

Qatada didn't have a hook for a hand.... Do you even know who we're discussing here?

That Was Abu Hamza (don't worry i never goggled...man I...need sleep )

 

[Castiel]

I forgot about this thread yesterday, but I will be sure to respond to specific questions this evening. In the mean time, you can chew the fat over this.

Do you have the actual link to the article/paper you took this from itself so I can read it in context rather than the bit you posted or the parts I can find on the internet?

Several other leading academics are of the same opinion. The idea that the British are a mongrel race is in short, false.

You are aware that Prof Sykes doesn't actually say that at all...he makes the distinction that Celt is a cultural term rather than a genetic one and also that the Celt genetic make-up suggests that they came from across Europe, particularly the Mediterranean and the Atlantic coast of continental Europe, which would include parts of Portugal, Spain, France and Scandinavia. There is also a distinction between ancient Celts and the modern British, for example he explains that Anglo-Saxon genetics make up around 20% of the DNA in the British, particularly in the south and Viking DNA is common in the North as well as central and eastern England. Roman and I am sure you will not like this, Middle Eastern Origin:

The larger Haplogroup R1b (Y-DNA) is dominant in Western Europe, not only Britain and Ireland. While it was once seen as a lineage connecting the British Isles to Iberia (where it is also common) opinions concerning its origins have changed, with estimates of age tending to go down from Palaeolithic to Neolithic or even younger and analysis of the branching within this line now being seen to support the view that at least concerning the majority of R1b in Europe, it has its roots in the Middle East and has spread north-westward from there. The R1b types found in Britain and Ireland are dominated by R-P312, which on the continent is found mainly west of the Rhine but at least in England there is also a significant presence of R-U106, which is found east of the Rhine and also in North Sea areas such as Denmark and the Netherlands

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You might want to rethink your position if you are basing it on what Prof Sykes and his compatriots such as Dr P Balaresque et al research says.

 

[bam0]

I scoff at the people trying to be clever by defending him or pretending they don't see a reason to evict him.

There's a difference between defending him and thinking he was mistreated. I don't like him or his views but I still think his detention without trial was wrong. I don't like people who commit murder or other horrendous crimes but I would still object to the death penalty.

 

[Castiel]

Oh ffs you really can't admit that you're wrong can you? For the umpteenth time I'm arguing that they should not have that right for just being born her. At no time was Abu Qatada stateless - he's had Jordanian citizenship throughout this sorry affair so why on earth you made your irrelevant second statement is beyond me.

I think it is the other way around...You tried to assert that they should not stay here and should have been removed along with Qatada, which is contrary to how British law works, the fact is that his Children are not Jordanian Citizens, they are British Citizens by merit of their Birth and the Law...As far as your point on China, Qatada would have been naturalized under the rules that they apply to asylum (Asylum seekers had no legal status until recently so granting legal residence as he had in Britain would have meant becoming a Chinese Citizen (hundreds of Refugees arriving from Pakistan have been naturalised in China under similar circumstances, which was the point being made) as he could not hold two nationalities and as such his children would have been born Chinese Citizens.

The point is also being made that they have not been given citizenship for simply being born here...but because they and their family were settled here (after being offered and granted Asylum) and under British Law that makes them British Citizens, not for just being born here, which doesn't. Which is the point your are arguing is it not?

 

[koolpc]

Whatever, just ship them off to Jordan so that they can all be together as one big happy family. Don't see why he should not have them close to him!

 

[Bobcat]

I think it is the other way around...You tried to assert that they should not stay here and should have been removed along with Qatada, which is contrary to how British law works, the fact is that his Children are not Jordanian Citizens, they are British Citizens by merit of their Birth and the Law...As far as your point on China, Qatada would have been naturalized under the rules that they apply to asylum (Asylum seekers had no legal status until recently so granting legal residence as he had in Britain would have meant becoming a Chinese Citizen (hundreds of Refugees arriving from Pakistan have been naturalised in China under similar circumstances, which was the point being made) as he could not hold two nationalities and as such his children would have been born Chinese Citizens.

The point is also being made that they have not been given citizenship for simply being born here...but because they and their family were settled here (after being offered and granted Asylum) and under British Law that makes them British Citizens, not for just being born here, which doesn't. Which is the point your are arguing is it not?

So settled that they are planning on moving back to Jordan to be with Anu Qatada - http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/413460/Abu-Qatada-s-family-will-quit-Britain-and-follow-him-to-Jordan

"News of their imminent move emerged as a lawyer acting for Qatada, 53, made an application for him to be freed on bail in the Jordanian capital Amman."

"A family source in Amman said of the family’s planned move: “The hope is for them to come here as soon as possible. It was always the intention to leave Britain if he was ever deported to his homeland."

 

[koolpc]

So settled that they are planning on moving back to Jordan to be with Anu Qatada - http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/413460/Abu-Qatada-s-family-will-quit-Britain-and-follow-him-to-Jordan

"News of their imminent move emerged as a lawyer acting for Qatada, 53, made an application for him to be freed on bail in the Jordanian capital Amman."

"A family source in Amman said of the family’s planned move: “The hope is for them to come here as soon as possible. It was always the intention to leave Britain if he was ever deported to his homeland."

Aww, we will miss them!

 

[badcompany]

Same old people defending his lot I see.

Lol the tide is turning in this country and across Europe.

 

[Castiel]

So settled that they are planning on moving back to Jordan to be with Anu Qatada - http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/413460/Abu-Qatada-s-family-will-quit-Britain-and-follow-him-to-Jordan

"News of their imminent move emerged as a lawyer acting for Qatada, 53, made an application for him to be freed on bail in the Jordanian capital Amman."

"A family source in Amman said of the family’s planned move: “The hope is for them to come here as soon as possible. It was always the intention to leave Britain if he was ever deported to his homeland."

That is their choice and one which will not doubt make a lot of people happy... if they wish to move to Jordan to be close to their Father and Husband then they should be able to...it is not the States job to impose such a removal of British Citizens to another country however.

 

[deuse]

Not all of them are going Most likely her son will send for her in a few years then we tax payers have to fork out for her again.

 

[spankingtexan]

So settled that they are planning on moving back to Jordan to be with Anu Qatada - http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/413460/Abu-Qatada-s-family-will-quit-Britain-and-follow-him-to-Jordan

"News of their imminent move emerged as a lawyer acting for Qatada, 53, made an application for him to be freed on bail in the Jordanian capital Amman."

"A family source in Amman said of the family’s planned move: “The hope is for them to come here as soon as possible. It was always the intention to leave Britain if he was ever deported to his homeland."

Absolutely wonderful news, will the celebrations ever stop?

 

[koolpc]

His son is selling off his beard trimming business apparently. And he is closing down his workshop on speech making in public!

 

[spankingtexan]

Same old people defending his lot I see.

Lol the tide is turning in this country and across Europe.

Indeed it is.

 

[Bobcat]

That is their choice and one which will not doubt make a lot of people happy... if they wish to move to Jordan to be close to their Father and Husband then they should be able to...it is not the States job to impose such a removal of British Citizens to another country however.

I agree they should be able to, i was just pointing out that they were perhaps not so "settled" here in the UK as they are now going back to the country that they initially fled seeking asylum from, funny old world isn't it.

 

[koolpc]

I used to work in a Uni and the way the Islamists used to talk about this country was shocking! How much hatred they had for the UK etc and they had the cheek to still want to be educated here!

The defenders of them on here are a sad bunch who are paving the way for them to get control of lives and ways and convert them to their own ways.

 

[spankingtexan]

I used to work in a Uni and the way the Islamists used to talk about this country was shocking! How much hatred they had for the UK etc and they had the cheek to still want to be educated here!

The defenders of them on here are a sad bunch who are paving the way for them to get control of lives and ways and convert them to their own ways.

As Badcompany says, the tide is turning.

 

[Castiel]

I agree they should be able to, i was just pointing out that they were perhaps not so "settled" here in the UK as they are now going back to the country that they initially fled seeking asylum from, funny old world isn't it.

I expect that they are not so settled now because their Father and Husband is not here. I wouldn't be very settled if my wife was in another country...Are not the older, more independent children staying though?

 

[koolpc]

I expect that they are not so settled now because their Father and Husband is not here. I wouldn't be very settled if my wife was in another country...Are not the older, more independent children staying though?

Are you related to them?