Accident with cyclist - Seeking advice

Orionaut said:
This is something I don't get however. I see this sort of thing happen every now and again and, pretty much every time, even when it is clear that a dangerous situation is developing, the cyclist insists on pedaling furiously right up untill the point where he is about to run into the turning vehicle. Me, I would tap on the brakes and let the vehicle turn.

Isn't staying alive more important than being in the right?? There is no magic shield of moral righteousness that will protect you from being crushed under the wheels of a 44 tonner!
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Typical victim blaming, drive responsibly then people don’t have to make the call whether someone is going to knock you off or not. Seeing as many drivers don’t even indicate at all or at the last moment when making the turn, cyclists aren’t mind readers. What happened to mirror, signal manoeuvre these days?

It’s fine for a driver to be impatient and overtake to cut in but it’s the cyclists fault for taking the moral high ground and should let the vehicle turn. :rolleyes:

I’m not in anyway saying everything is the motorists fault. For instance I was driving in Oxford and was sat at a set of traffic lights with my left hand indicator on. The lights went green and I started to pull away and a stupid bint shot through on my left despite my indicator still going absolutely oblivious. Yet just this morning I was almost killed by a bloke in an Astravan trying to overtake two cars and almost had a head on collision with me on my side of the road, despite me wearing a bright red top and lights flashing. He passed me with a couple of feet to spare doing about 60mph on the wrong side of the road. If I had a camera I would have sent it to the police to hopefully get him done for dangerous driving.
 
Very interesting thread and should serve as a lesson to all to take out motor legal protection.

It seems totally bizarre the cyclist can ride about in a reckless and endangering manner, crash into somebody then expect to file a personal injury claim against them.

I think the only thing the OP could have done to act differently was to have been closer to or nearly on the carriageway before attempting to join, blocking off the pavement entirely so you don't leave a gap for chancers like this to dart through.
 
Orionaut said:
This is something I don't get however. I see this sort of thing happen every now and again and, pretty much every time, even when it is clear that a dangerous situation is developing, the cyclist insists on pedaling furiously right up untill the point where he is about to run into the turning vehicle. Me, I would tap on the brakes and let the vehicle turn.

Isn't staying alive more important than being in the right?? There is no magic shield of moral righteousness that will protect you from being crushed under the wheels of a 44 tonner!
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It looks more dramatic on youtube I suppose.

SexyGreyFox said:
Grief and that idiot motorist had no obstructions, obviously didn't look left.
And yes the cyclist was an idiot also especially with a baby on board but that has got to be down to the driver.
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Similar situation as the OP though, on the pavement and against traffic. Straight across the front of a moving car. Super dumb.
 
TripleT said:
Just saw this:

https://youtu.be/QPObHOrQCeg

Watch from 1:55 very similar incident, may be worth trying to get in contact to see how that ended up.
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Hilarious video lol. Though the very first one is the motorcylists fault (one with the cam)

Similar situation as the OP though, on the pavement and against traffic. Straight across the front of a moving car. Super dumb.
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yep though i am surprised more accidents dont happen in these situations. The cyclist/pedestrian crossing in front of the car waiting to go out just sees the vehicle as stopped/stationary so figures its all good to pass in front.
 
SexyGreyFox said:
Grief and that idiot motorist had no obstructions, obviously didn't look left.
And yes the cyclist was an idiot also especially with a baby on board but that has got to be down to the driver.
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whilst legally it'[s the drivers fault. IMO the cyclist is the one in the wrong. if i was going to walk across that road with a car in front of me i would go round the back of it.

i don't know why cyclists seem to think common sense doesn't apply to them.
 
Nasher said:
Similar situation as the OP though, on the pavement and against traffic. Straight across the front of a moving car. Super dumb.
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I'm not disagreeing and it's something I've only done once and ended up in A&E.
It was witnessed by 2 Coppers and all the blame was put on the driver BUT I also 100% know I should have been more careful and could easily have avoided it using a bit of sense.
Put it this way, all similar areas on my commute are dealt with accordingly, even if it's my priority I act as though it's there's and I only proceed if I get an acknowledgement.
 
Nasher said:
Similar situation as the OP though, on the pavement and against traffic. Straight across the front of a moving car. Super dumb.
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It wasn't, the car doesn't move until the cyclist is in front of it.

Some hilarious clips on that link though, so many road users not anticipating / reading the road properly. Also :( at the Capris on the video beforehand
 
The traffic was crawling along, you just don't go across the front of a vehicle waiting at a junction unless you get the ok from the driver. Common sense really. It's like overtaking on a junction, just don't do it.
 
Psycho Sonny said:
whilst legally it'[s the drivers fault. IMO the cyclist is the one in the wrong. if i was going to walk across that road with a car in front of me i would go round the back of it.

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Me too,

a) because its safer
b) Because I do not want to be the jerk who who is stopping the driver from pulling out when the first gap for ages comes along and I am in the middle of walking in front of him...
 
Bear said:
Typical victim blaming, drive responsibly then people don’t have to make the call whether someone is going to knock you off or not.
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I call it common ******* sense, not victim blaming.

If I drove with the victim blame mentality I can bet you I wouldn't make it to the other side of my town without ending up in a car crash that wouldn't be my fault. Fortunately I dont drive like a **** and as such have many years no claims.

If I was on a bike I'd be cycling even more carefully.
 
kindai said:
I call it common ******* sense, not victim blaming.

If I drove with the victim blame mentality I can bet you I wouldn't make it to the other side of my town without ending up in a car crash that wouldn't be my fault. Fortunately I dont drive like a **** and as such have many years no claims.

If I was on a bike I'd be cycling even more carefully.
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Of course you would as it takes away the responsibility of the motorist to consider their actions, it’s all on the cyclist. I agree all road users should travel defensively with the understanding that other road users could pull a dick move and put you in a dodgy situation all the time, that way you can hopefully avoid getting in an accident as you say.

The problem with putting the onus on the cyclist with respect to the left hook, is that the cyclist has to know what the intent of the driver is. If a driver overtakes a cyclist and turns and signals at the same time which is very common with drivers then the cyclist hasn’t much time to stop in time or even aware of the intention. If the driver doesn’t even bother to signal which is also common then the cyclist has no idea at all the turn is going to happen.

If the driver overtakes with their left indicator going, then that gives the cyclist a potential clue and the cyclist should anticipate the move but the driver could be an idiot and continue to drive with their indicator going oblivious it is on regardless, or it could be an indication to tell the cyclist the driver is getting back in lane after the overtake which happen a lot. Whatever the intent, it is far better to be patient and not pull the manoeuvre to begin with, then other road users don’t have to play the mind reading game.
 
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Malevolence said:
You forget, this is OcUK. I **** you not, but only yesterday there was some Muppet in GD vehemently defending Robert Mugabe.
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There are people even defending the motorist who didn't take any extra care when pulling out.
He admitted that he couldn't see to his left because the bins were in the way so took the chance and lost.
Yes, the cyclist was an idiot but the OP basically risked it and looks like he will come off worse.
Lesson learned for both of them.

There are people here who are saying 100% cyclist fault - I love OCUK.
 
Bear said:
If the driver overtakes with their left indicator going, then that gives the cyclist a potential clue and the cyclist should anticipate the move but the driver could be an idiot and continue to drive with their indicator going oblivious it is on regardless, or it could be an indication to tell the cyclist the driver is getting back in lane after the overtake which happen a lot. Whatever the intent, it is far better to be patient and not pull the manoeuvre to begin with, then other road users don’t have to play the mind reading game.
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Well, a cyclist still once managed to go straight in to the side of me while turning across a T-junction. Even after sitting there and indicating for about 3 minutes. She thought it would be a smart idea to swerve on to the other side of the road and try to get around the front of me as I started moving.
 
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Surfer said:
Hilarious video lol. Though the very first one is the motorcylists fault (one with the cam)
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Nah. Even though the traffic in that lane obviously comes from the left, basic highway crossing code (which you're taught in primary school ffs) is look both ways. He doesn't even give this way a glance, even for a split second. The biker can't take all the blame.
 
SexyGreyFox said:
There are people even defending the motorist who didn't take any extra care when pulling out.
He admitted that he couldn't see to his left because the bins were in the way so took the chance and lost.
Yes, the cyclist was an idiot but the OP basically risked it and looks like he will come off worse.
Lesson learned for both of them.

There are people here who are saying 100% cyclist fault - I love OCUK.
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So what he should have done was wait until the bin lorry turns up, empties the bins and the owners of said bins then put them back?
Or the cyclist could have shown some situational awareness.
 
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