Advice on using Protein Shake :)

benjo plz. said:
It's also completely different to what you said before.
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It is and it isn't.

I have read that a carb and protein combination taken at the same time does ensure a greater protein take up because the carb causes an insulin spike. However, taken in this way, then I'd imagine the body will attempt to burn some of the protein as energy instead of shuttling it to the muscles.

I suppose you could get around this to a degree by consuming more protein to compensate or you could just take the carb and protein seperately.
 
The Mad Rapper said:
It is and it isn't.

I have read that a carb and protein combination taken at the same time does ensure a greater protein take up because the carb causes an insulin spike. However, taken in this way, then I'd imagine the body will attempt to burn some of the protein as energy instead of shuttling it to the muscles.

I suppose you could get around this to a degree by consuming more protein to compensate or you could just take the carb and protein seperately.
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nope, still not getting it. the spike will slow the proteinolysis and the glycogenesis.
WillSpengler said:
Insulin increases metabolism of protein.
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:confused: last time I checked, insulin spikes slow the break down of protein.
 
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It promotes the uptake of protein, shouldnt have said metabolism. It's been a long week.

It causes an increase in muscular protein anabolism while also inhibiting muscular protein breakdown.
 
At the end of the day things like all that are just about optimzing... so either try and optimize your nutrition or don't. Food is food and what with what and when won't make a huge difference when you look at the big picture.

Though I just see it as one more thing to add to your arsenal. So many people go to the gym and I very, very rarely see someone with a physique that makes me stop and look! You want to be like that then you need to do your homework imho.

Supp's like WMS should be taken with EAA's, BCAA's and glutamine only. (optimally!)

Then take your whey and maybe some fruit or oats 20-30 mins later. Sometimes I don't even have that I'll just have a small meal and then a larger meal a good hour later.
 
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This is true, having a science background for these things does help a bit tho.

However I must admit that i'm going to avoid as many optimizations as i can, save them for plataeu's
 
Urgh just had to order some items for when I'm in England for a few months, 40 pounds for some Whey protein, oats and L Glutamine, god I hate English prices!! That's $80!!! lol
 
benjo plz. said:
That's sort of true, glycogenosis has nothing to do with it though. It's also completely different to what you said before.
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carbs post work out only have two real jobs, one, replenishing glycogen stores, two, stimulating insulin and thus IGF-1 release.

No more or less technical than that, if you wanna be really crude about things just eat about 5 hob-nobs with your protein shake. Of course oats and sugars are a better idea for most.

Blimey this threads an oldie!
 
Chong Warrior said:
80g Organic Jumbo Oats
30g Whey Protein Concentrate
500ml Full fat milk
5g Cocoa Powder (org)
5g flaxseed
10g dextrose
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This was my old pre workout shake but I got really bloated.. and all that milk is giving me spots. So my new one is this:

60g Organic Jumbo Oats
30g Whey Protein Concentrate
250ml Full fat milk
150ml water
5g Cocoa Powder (org)
5g flaxseed
10g dextrose

Is that any better? Or could someone spec me a shake lol. Cheers
 
hi, another question. Im just wondering which exercise is better, hammer curls or wide grip barbell curls? Ill be doing barbell curls and reverse grip barbell curls aswell for the bicep workout

Cheers
 
salami1212 said:
hi, another question. Im just wondering which exercise is better, hammer curls or wide grip barbell curls? Ill be doing barbell curls and reverse grip barbell curls aswell for the bicep workout

Cheers
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to be honest, at the moment it really wont make much difference for you. just doing the exercises is good enough to promote the growth that you want.
 
Morba said:
to be honest, at the moment it really wont make much difference for you. just doing the exercises is good enough to promote the growth that you want.
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Chins, Rows, Chins, Rows repeat

Biceps are grown this way until you get big enough that they no longer play a significant role in these exercises, i would say this would be around the same time as you start rowing passenger planes or DAF trucks (bit like morba here, although he also shrugs with sherman tanks). Isolation work on the biceps is all well and good for hitting the right 'heads' and shaping the inner and outer portions. But until you actually have mass on there (and no disrespect to your lifts but you obviously wont have much) there really is no point isolating, by doing an isolation you are adding pointless volume to your workout.

Any trainer with experiece and knowledge will tell you that, if you are training right, its fitting the exercises in thats hard not finding ones to do. If you really MUST do a biceps curl i reccommend alternating wide and hammer grip standing bar curls (hopefully you have access to an ez bar and a tri bar yes?) these bring the soulders into play somewhat and give the forearms a good workout. Remember NO ROCKING!

But honestly you really should concentrate on building some power and mass onto your frame before getting all ninny about which variation single arm inverted eccentric preacher curl you do.
 
Chong Warrior said:
You train everyday and gain something like 2lbs of muscle a week eh? Dude you should market whatever it is you're doing because you're making better gains than pro's like Ronnie Coleman on insane amounts of steroids. Are you taking silly amounts of steroids?

Either that or you're maybe stretching the truth a little....?

Do the math before replying, do you realize what you're saying?
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LIGHT WEIGHT!!! LIGHT WEIGHT BABBBBYYY!!!!!!
 
Chong Warrior said:
Go here: http://www.myprotein.co.uk , click on the price matcher and type in w*w.bulkpowders.co.uk. (without the star obviously)

5kg Whey Protein Concentrate 80 @ £31.95
5kg Ultra Fine Scottish Oats @ £9.89

Now for sweetening and flavouring there are a few options open to you.

The cheapest and unhealthiest:
1kg Dextrose @ £2.95
Nesquik - get from supermarket any flavour you want.

Healthier but more expensive:
2kg Palatinose @ £11.98 - you could try 1kg but it's only half as sweet as dextrose.
Cocoa Powder - get from supermarket, Green & Black's organic cocoa powder is awesome ;)

Another choice from Tesco instead of myprotein is the oats. Tesco sell 750g of organic jumbo oats for about £1.20 but obviously these aren't as pleasant as the fine ground ones from MP, so it's upto you.

If you followed all that you'd end up with:

26lb of Top Quality Weight gainer for about £50 - cheap
or
28lb of Top Quality Weight gainer for about £60 - dearer but best.

If using MP for first time then using someones code (like mine MP5500) would save you 5% off your first order.

Use the money you saved to pay the little bit extra for some Channel Islands Gold Top milk (unhomogenized) to mix it all in and you've got a fantastic weight gainer. These choices are FAR healthier aswell as being much better value for money.
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Alright mate - been reading the "help an average joe bulk up" thread. Some good advice in there. I've always been interested in keeping fit but never had the time or knowledge to go the full way and do it properly.

Looking into getting some whey/protien shakes. Would you still recommend the above products?

Also fish oils, should I be looking at taking them as well? Currently take 1 1000mg of cod liver oil a day.

Cheers

Edit - How long would 26-28lb last me? Would I need to take these every day or just on the day of workout? Going gym twice a week at the moment for weights, and then spending another day or 2 out on my bike/swimming for the cardio.
 
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