Afghanistan - 20 years on

Malevolence said:
If I were in charge, then the moment the last flight is out of there any of that equipment that I know the whereabouts of would be turned to ****.

Seriously, the forum censors that? It's a perfectly acceptable word.
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This is why they've been hauling loads of it into Pakistan.
 
robfosters said:
Don’t know if this has been posted already, but this is a list of the equipment that’s fallen into taliban hands

-2,000 Armored Vehicles Including Humvees and MRAP’s
-75,989 Total Vehicles: FMTV, M35, Ford Rangers, Ford F350, Ford Vans, Toyota Pickups, Armored Security Vehicles etc
-45 UH-60 Blachhawk Helicopters
-50 MD530G Scout Attack Choppers
-ScanEagle Military Drones
-30 Military Version Cessnas
-4 C-130’s
-29 Brazilian made A-29 Super Tocano Ground Attack Aircraft
208+ Aircraft Total
-At least 600,000+ Small arms M16, M249 SAWs, M24 Sniper Systems, 50 Calibers, 1,394 M203 Grenade Launchers, M134 Mini Gun, 20mm Gatling Guns and Ammunition
-61,000 M203 Rounds
-20,040 Grenades
-Howitzers
-Mortars +1,000’s of Rounds
-162,000 pieces of Encrypted Military Comunications Gear
-16,000+ Night Vision Goggles
-Newest Technology Night Vision Scopes
-Thermal Scopes and Thermal Mono Goggles
-10,000 2.75 inch Air to Ground Rockets
-Recconaissance Equipment (ISR)
-Laser Aiming Units
-Explosives Ordnance C-4, Semtex, Detonators, Shaped Charges, Thermite, Incendiaries, AP/API/APIT
-2,520 Bombs
-Administration Encrypted Cell Phones and Laptops all operational
-Pallets with Millions of Dollars in US Currency
-Millions of Rounds of Ammunition including but not limited to 20,150,600 rounds of 7.62mm, 9,000,000 rounds of 50.caliber
-Large Stockpile of Plate Carriers and Body Armor
-US Military HIIDE, for Handheld Interagency Identity Detection Equipment Biometrics
-Lots of Heavy Equipment Including Bull Dozers, Backhoes, Dump Trucks, Excavators
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Just searching for those items seems to suggest thats not a list of stuff left behind.
But a list of stuff bought for US use, and for the Afghan armed forces, over the last 20yrs, based on different audits during that time.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/adaman...t-left-behind-in-afghanistan/?sh=6f14ce1b41db

https://www.politifact.com/factchec...of-biden-left-taliban-80b-weapons-or-he-want/
 
robfosters said:
Well it all depends on what they managed to get out of there. I doubt it was much of it at all.
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The point is much of this is disinformation. They've not done an audit of what was left.

How much of this is serviceable after years of use, how much "disappeared" in that time.

What will the Taliban do with this stuff?
 
robfosters said:
I know it seems unbelievable, but unfortunately, that is the equipment that has been lost. 20 years of accumulated hardware that there was no chance of getting out of there.

The only hope is that they might not actually be able to use a lot of the high end stuff as it’s pretty complicated.
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How much went home with each ana soldier though?

Rather than being captured


You'd think each bloke would be taking his entire kit with him
 
OspreyO said:
Just searching for those items seems to suggest thats not a list of stuff left behind.
But a list of stuff bought for US use, and for the Afghan armed forces, over the last 20yrs, based on different audits during that time.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/adaman...t-left-behind-in-afghanistan/?sh=6f14ce1b41db

https://www.politifact.com/factchec...of-biden-left-taliban-80b-weapons-or-he-want/
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That's exactly what it is.

The assumption people are making is everything in Afghanistan is now with the taliban


Not divided up amongst hundreds of thousands of groups or individuals
 
OspreyO said:
The point is much of this is disinformation. They've not done an audit of what was left.

How much of this is serviceable after years of use, how much "disappeared" in that time.

What will the Taliban do with this stuff?
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It is somewhat representative of what has fallen to the Taliban especially quantities of ammo and basic equipment but for instance there was ~8 operational Black Hawks at the time Kabul fell nothing like 45 though there was probably 30-40 airframes left in the country in various stages of non-functional some in the hands of the Afghan air-force some left behind by the US, etc. some of which likely could be a source of parts for the others.
 
Rroff said:
It is somewhat representative of what has fallen to the Taliban especially quantities of ammo and basic equipment but for instance there was ~8 operational Black Hawks at the time Kabul fell nothing like 45 though there was probably 30-40 airframes left in the country in various stages of non-functional some in the hands of the Afghan air-force some left behind by the US, etc. some of which likely could be a source of parts for the others.
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You're missing the point. It's like saying you've still a full tank of fuel after you've driven 400 miles.

These are old audits.
 
OspreyO said:
You're missing the point. It's like saying you've still a full tank of fuel after you've driven 400 miles.

These are old audits.
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Not missing the point - they aren't the latest or most up to date numbers but are broadly representative of what the Taliban have got their hands on in some cases more so than others.
 
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