Afghanistan - 20 years on

Malevolence said:
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It is quite astounding how quickly things have changed in a couple of months. I don't think even the most pessimistic 'experts' were predicting anything like what has actually happened, at least in public. Who knows what advisers with all the Intel & reports were telling politicians behind closed doors...

I certainly wasn't expecting it to happen this quickly, but looking back with hindsight all the evidence was there already.
 
Nasher said:
At least it gives everyone else a good idea of where most of them will be. If they keep Afghanistan fenced in and stop all the flights they can't go anywhere :D

I think the "plan" might be just leave and let them all fight it out among themselves, see how it turns out. It's not like any Islamic countries actually like eachother.
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Are you saying build a wall? :D
 
Uther said:
I wonder how long that Sky news team are going to hang around, don't think the Taliban are too keen on journalists...
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Was wondering that too...

Sky news just now reporting that the Afghan government is 'teetering on the brink of collapse'. I'm not really sure what's still teetering about it, I think it's probably been fair to say it's already collapsed since this morning!
 
Uther said:
I wonder how long that Sky news team are going to hang around, don't think the Taliban are too keen on journalists...
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Taliban haven't really been bothering journalists yet in the other provinces - I think they want Kabul to know they are coming (a lot of the reason they've advanced so quickly is from fear) a bit of PR - things will likely change once they are fully in control.
 
Eurofighter said:
There must be more taliban than normal afghanis otherwise they would fight back.. The country got democracy.
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The crux of the problem is, the people of Afghanistan prefer the return of Taliban rule to the continuation of the Afghanistan Governments rule, what we are currently seeing was always going to happen as soon as the US stopped supporting their puppet regime.

If the Afghan government actually had support in their own country (from people not receiving their pay checks from the west) as western leaders have claimed for years then this would have been impossible, the government could have simply handed out guns/ammo to the people and said "the Taliban are coming to take control back! we must all stop them!" and the Taliban would have been completely outnumbered and stopped. However they couldn't do that because they knew the people would have turned those guns on them.
 
GreatAuk said:
It is quite astounding how quickly things have changed in a couple of months. I don't think even the most pessimistic 'experts' were predicting anything like what has actually happened, at least in public. Who knows what advisers with all the Intel & reports were telling politicians behind closed doors...

I certainly wasn't expecting it to happen this quickly, but looking back with hindsight all the evidence was there already.
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I'm sure the advisers and military generals were telling the politicians how wonderfully well trained and equipped the Afghan army were. After all, how else to justify all the time and money spent?
 
The soldiers will have told the commanders and generals they are terrible, the generals will have told the politicians it's going great.
 
iamtheoneneo said:
What a stain for Biden.

Let's hope for the afghan people that this is a more moderate Taliban... but I'd expect its all just for show until they have full control.
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Is it? He has completed what the previous administration started and what he also said he would do. $2T spent, 20 years to train their military forces and they fold like a cheap suit. We could stay another 20 years, spend another $2T and the result would be the same. Biden's mistake was predicting that their military would hold the Taliban off, who ever told him that needs sacking.

This guy nails it. A complete waste of blood and treasure.

 
What government. It barely existed.

Maybe things will be different, maybe not. Obviously the Taliban is under different leadership than it used to be, because we blew up all the previous ones.
 
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