Afghanistan - 20 years on

Well when they are running off to Pakistan and they have a lovely space to sit and relax in Qatar... your hands are tied really.

As many have said you cant put a puppet regime in place, you need to ensure who you are fighting have well had a good kick in, and build back infrastructure and let them get on with it. Alas its not known for its industry just subsistence farming. Still the blame is firmly on Russia they started this entire debacle people seem to forget that.

Let them have their little backwater, just ring fence it off along with all the lovely little member states that have been sheltering fanatics until these member states do something about the problem.
 
A tale of two armies

“In the words of one former senior military official: ‘As intelligence makes its way up higher, it gets consolidated and watered down; it gets politicised. It gets politicked because once policymakers get their hands on it, and frankly, once operational commanders get their hands on it, they put their twist on it. Operational commanders, state department policymakers and Department of Defense policymakers are going to be inherently rosy in their assessments. They will be unaccepting of hard-hitting intelligence.”
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For any of you working in large American corporate environments this feels quite familiar, especially everyday reality vs what the Management Committee are shown in presentations from high to middle management. God I hope this wasn't some "if you can't measure it, you can't manage it" thing so everyone just fudged some metrics to show the White House.
 
I googled Afghanistan's history earlier and I'm not going to lie, i still can't really piece it altogether... To say its been turbulent over the last 60 years or so would be an understatement. Somehow after this i ended up watching Howard Stern's broadcast from the morning of 9/11. Its really interesting hearing them reacting in real time to the start of this episode whilst knowing how it eventually panned out today 20 years later...
 
KiNgPiN83 said:
I googled Afghanistan's history earlier and I'm not going to lie, i still can't really piece it altogether... To say its been turbulent over the last 60 years or so would be an understatement. Somehow after this i ended up watching Howard Stern's broadcast from the morning of 9/11. Its really interesting hearing them reacting in real time to the start of this episode whilst knowing how it eventually panned out today 20 years later...
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Got a link to the broadcast?
 
woppy101 said:
Got a link to the broadcast?
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Not going to lie I've never really listened to him before other than snippets here and there and obviously knowing of his reputation that proceeds him, but none the less it is interesting to hear.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wY4xgACSqM The announcement happens around 03:01:25

It was obviously a morning broadcast and there's no swearing but obviously the themes and feelings are high from some of the people they interview...
 
dowie said:
Former Afghan politicians switching sides - no wonder the takeover was so fast:


Others cut and run rather quickly:


The situation at the airport is not too great for civilians:

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Yes, but I will add that it was actually originally Trump's decision to withdraw and Biden followed through. It seems this has been cooking for quite a while.
 
Generally a good idea to withdraw once you’ve got everyone out who wants to get out first, rather than just assuming people will have time to do it after you’ve gone and throwing them to the wolves, as we’re about to see at the airport.
 
ltron said:
Yes, but I will add that it was actually originally Trump's decision to withdraw and Biden followed through. It seems this has been cooking for quite a while.
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Irrelevant really, Trump isn't in power and hasn't been since the start of the year.
 
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