Afghanistan - 20 years on

Colonel_Klinck said:
Did you even read what I wrote? I don't blame Biden or Trump personally, they both wanted out. However they are and will be blamed for what is happening there and so the blame should fall on both. ...Is that clear enough?
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You don't blame Trump... but then you do blame Trump. No, very clear at all.
 
deuse said:
All Biden had to say to the Taliban is that they need more time to get the people out.
And tell the US people you have said it.

Because if the poop hit the fan(which it did) everyone and his dog would have blamed the Taliban.

May I ask why you defend a person in a country that you don't live in or can vote for?
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Show me where I've defended him?

deuse said:
As said. He could have changed it.
The people in the US are going mad at Biden over this.
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Trump was criticising him for not doing it sooner. Why would he need to change it? What was wrong with Trump's deal that needed changing?

https://www.newsweek.com/gop-removes-webpage-praising-trumps-historic-peace-deal-taliban-1619605
 
Supposedly it was US troops who fired shots in the air at the airport to try and disperse the crowds. People were going mental.

Average age in Afghanistan is only 25, most people have grown up under US protection with freedoms. Now it's basically like the Nazis are coming to town.
 
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If the people of Afganistan really wanted to keep the freedom they have experienced over the past 20 years, or protect their daughters from being child brides, they would have fought for it. Time to close the book and forget about the region.

You think the Kurdish women would have allowed this to happen to them? They're the first ones to pick weapons up when the time comes.
 
Don't think it's been posted yet, but this was a very interesting article, talking about how significant the deals local officials did and bribes they took were since in became clear the US were leaving them to the Taliban in Feb 2020.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/08/15/afghanistan-military-collapse-taliban/
Some just wanted the money,” an Afghan special forces officer said of those who first agreed to meet with the Taliban. But others saw the U.S. commitment to a full withdrawal as an “assurance” that the militants would return to power in Afghanistan and wanted to secure their place on the winning side, he said.
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The Doha agreement, designed to bring an end to the war in Afghanistan, instead left many Afghan forces demoralized, bringing into stark relief the corrupt impulses of many Afghan officials and their tenuous loyalty to the country’s central government. Some police officers complained that they had not been paid in six months or more.
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An Afghan special forces officer stationed in Kandahar who had been assigned to protect a critical border crossing recalled being ordered by a commander to surrender. “We want to fight! If we surrender, the Taliban will kill us,” the special forces officer said.

“Don’t fire a single shot,” the unit’s commander told them as the Taliban swarmed the area, the officer later recounted. The border police surrendered immediately, leaving the special forces unit on its own. A second officer confirmed his colleague’s recollection of the events.

Unwilling to surrender or fight outmatched, the members of the unit put down their weapons, changed into civilian clothing and fled their post.

“I feel ashamed of what I’ve done,” said the first officer. But, he said, if he hadn’t fled, “I would have been sold to the Taliban by my own government.”
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Skunkworks said:
It doesn't matter who arranged the withdrwal, when it was, or how it was done. As soon as external influence was gone they will return to their mean.
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Maybe that is the case, maybe not... We will never know though, because Afghanistan was still under external influence even as the US and UK walked away. Only difference was that the Pakistani influence (along with whoever else was funding and supporting the Taliban) was now no longer being countered.
 
Lord-Jaffa said:
If the people of Afganistan really wanted to keep the freedom they have experienced over the past 20 years, or protect their daughters from being child brides, they would have fought for it. Time to close the book and forget about the region.

You think the Kurdish women would have allowed this to happen to them? They're the first ones to pick weapons up when the time comes.
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Now they were allies that we threw under the bus :(
 
Lord-Jaffa said:
If the people of Afganistan really wanted to keep the freedom they have experienced over the past 20 years, or protect their daughters from being child brides, they would have fought for it. Time to close the book and forget about the region.

You think the Kurdish women would have allowed this to happen to them? They're the first ones to pick weapons up when the time comes.
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I think this is possibly the lasting indictment of our involvement, that areas that previously had kept the taliban out are now under taliban control.
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
Show me where I've defended him?



Trump was criticising him for not doing it sooner. Why would he need to change it? What was wrong with Trump's deal that needed changing?

https://www.newsweek.com/gop-removes-webpage-praising-trumps-historic-peace-deal-taliban-1619605
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Members here have already showed you about defending him.

You don't understand. It's not about when. It's the security Biden has in place for the people to leave safely.

He hasn't done anything.
And again "May I ask why you defend a person in a country that you don't live in or can vote for?"
 
Why are there black hawks left there? Footage previously shows a drone can take out an underground bunker through a vent? Why leave them? There’s not going to be a great deal of engineers, ground crew and pilots.
 
Maccapacca said:
Why are there black hawks left there? Footage previously shows a drone can take out an underground bunker through a vent? Why leave them? There’s not going to be a great deal of engineers, ground crew and pilots.
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Its typical to leave all vehicles as it's too expensive to ship them back, as mad as it seems, you would think they would at least destroy them.
 
Lord-Jaffa said:
Its typical to leave all vehicles as it's too expensive to ship them back, as mad as it seems, you would think they would at least destroy them.
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Absolutely they were dropping hueys off ships to fit in the retreating soldiers in Vietnam.

Unless they are leaving them to arm the next regime and gear up for the next round? That’s not ever happened before……..
 
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