Afghanistan - 20 years on

So when will the world start dealing with Pakistan's involvement with the Taliban? Surely they should be sanctioned? Or will the US keep turning the blind eye because they're a valuable ally, despite the fact they fund and help the Taliban and everyone knows it.
 
chrcoluk said:
In very simple terms you think 300k vs 75k, well armed, trained by US army, they can defend and hold for a while.

But then when you read about the corruption, army not getting paid, and the reliance on US air strikes, you think disaster waiting to happen.

Also the question why was Afghanistan not 100% conquered when the US army was there, that failure indicates the Taliban had enough about them, that they were a motivated fighting force.
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Support for the Taliban was reasonably high outside the cities, in many cases Taliban fighters just stashed their rifles and hid amongst the population.
 
ebilcake said:
So when will the world start dealing with Pakistan's involvement with the Taliban? Surely they should be sanctioned? Or will the US keep turning the blind eye because they're a valuable ally, despite the fact they fund and help the Taliban and everyone knows it.
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They have nukes they can do what they like.


Thems the rules
 
ebilcake said:
So when will the world start dealing with Pakistan's involvement with the Taliban? Surely they should be sanctioned? Or will the US keep turning the blind eye because they're a valuable ally, despite the fact they fund and help the Taliban and everyone knows it.
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They created them :/

Anyway, the Taliban leadership is saying the right things, but they don't seem to be able to control the commanders very well. The country is very faction based and one part does not listen to the other.
 
chrcoluk said:
In very simple terms you think 300k vs 75k, well armed, trained by US army, they can defend and hold for a while.

But then when you read about the corruption, army not getting paid, and the reliance on US air strikes, you think disaster waiting to happen.

Also the question why was Afghanistan not 100% conquered when the US army was there, that failure indicates the Taliban had enough about them, that they were a motivated fighting force.
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Think it's more to do with being able to blend in with the locals who they terrorise to hide them or states like Pakistan that hide them,arm them etc.

We fight with one hand tied behind our backs, the other side fight however they like, how can you win?
 
Can’t believe people are buying into this tellytubbies 2.0 thing. Once they realise giving females rights and being more progressive doesn’t really work in their favour, they’ll soon be back to their old tricks.
 
lemonkettaz said:
Taliban are using the western political approach, just lie and the public will lap it up.
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Was kind of odd to see it - would have fitted right in to the Tory party.

Minusorange said:
Odd that it's all in English
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Was UN or UNICEF or whatever thing - entities like that have/had missions there.

alchal said:
Think it's more to do with being able to blend in with the locals who they terrorise to hide them or states like Pakistan that hide them,arm them etc.

We fight with one hand tied behind our backs, the other side fight however they like, how can you win?
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Only way you win is like what the British tried to do to a limited extent - engaging with and getting involved with redevelopment of the local areas (not just the way the US has approached it) - but ultimately at a bigger scale that is nation building which the US has washed its hands of.
 
Tefal said:
No they kill them in night clubs.

As for the deaths and torture under extrodiary renditions don't thinkthey care what sexuality you have
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I'd love to see links to these articles where Trump killed someone for being gay in a nightclub.
 
Interestingly looks like these C17s, etc. taking off with 100s of people onboard (max so far apparently is 640 not 800) are having to go with almost the minimum fuel just to get into the air (despite in theory being able to carry over 1000 people payload wise) and then meeting up with tankers over the Pakistan border - not seeing it on flight radar but apparently there is an almost continuous circuit of 3-5 tankers at any one time doing laps.
 
MatsyLR said:
Hard to do this when the country is routed in a backwards culture that is harmful to everyone else and a big portion of its citizens. I dont blame the US for walking away.
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The US doesn't seem to have been interested in it at all though. The British had positive results on a very limited scale - but once they left the Taliban were straight back in.
 
They are making the right (public) noises but who knows how that translates to the religious hardline fighters outside. I'll be very surprised if there isn't a crackdown once the dust settles and the westerners have gone.
 
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