Afghanistan - 20 years on

deuse said:
Why do you keep bringing up Trump?
Is it point scoring or have you got a fetish about him.
Also. What dangerous ballpark is this you speak of in the UK?
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I didn't bring him up at all, I entered an ongoing discussion started here: https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/afghanistan-20-years-on.18932713/page-52#post-35037865

lemonkettaz said:
Glad to see the conversation has moved onto more important matters like, Trump.

Some people are a joke.
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Blame @Malevolence
 
Interesting watching clips of US politicians (whatever they are called) blatantly talking rubbish, lying and slipping any accountability. Get a sense that the modern day "politician" definitely does live in a seperate reality, they must do, otherwise they are totally uneducated it would appear. Have we been too inward looking in recent years to actually understand what is going on in the rest of the world?

Maybe we, the west, need to focus on gender issues rather than humanitarian problems. We are good at what we do now, nothing else.
 
lemonkettaz said:
rather than humanitarian problems
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I think that tends to be the wider public opinion now.

We're obviously appalled to hear about breaches of human rights on all levels, but when you've got at least 3/4 of the world who stand by and don't want to get too involved in another countries problems. The onus shouldn't be on us "the west" to sort those problems out.
 
Semple said:
I think that tends to be the wider public opinion now.

We're obviously appalled to hear about breaches of human rights on all levels, but when you've got at least 3/4 of the world who stand by and don't want to get too involved in another countries problems. The onus shouldn't be on us "the west" to sort those problems out.
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The problem arises when they start launching attacks on your country from Afgabistan or wherever.

Do you sit idly by and wait for their next attack or go in and clear them out?
 
The Running Man said:
The problem arises when they start launching attacks on your country from Afgabistan or wherever.

Do you sit idly by and wait for their next attack or go in and clear them out?
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But you have to look at the motives for those attacks. In the majority of cases it's because of US policy supporting something anti-Islam, or imposing restrictions on Islamic countries.

Unfortunately the horse has bolted on that one, and i guess it's just something we in the west will have to accept any future repercussions that come our way.

For example i'm sure there's now quite a number of Afghanis that will blame the US for the mess that their country is now in, especially those that have lost family due to the war. If they become radicalised, they'll be a prime candidate for enacting revenge.

Either way, it's always going to be a case of tit-for-tat. The only way to truly move on is to let bygones be bygones and agree on a peace treaty that the West will not get involved in the Middle East's conflicts. But as we all know, there's always a bigger agenda when it comes to the Middle East.
 
Semple said:
But you have to look at the motives for those attacks. In the majority of cases it's because of US policy supporting something anti-Islam, or imposing restrictions on Islamic countries.
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.....and anywhere else where Islam is, just look at the African continent, pretty much weekly terrorist attacks, same with south asia, cant be blaming those on American foreign policy.
 
Johno please? said:
.....and anywhere else where Islam is, just look at the African continent, pretty much weekly terrorist attacks, same with south asia, cant be blaming those on American foreign policy.
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It's more historical.

A lot of extremist groups hate the US because of their relationship with Israel.
 
Part of me (does feel terrible to say) just thinks we should leave these countries and regions to it. Meddling seems to never work, wastes vast amounts of money and eventually we have to leave and it all goes back

Maybe in time these areas will evolve out of being cesspits. But certainly the wests interference always seems to end up a negative

We can't force our culture on areas that are so different to us. It just doesn't work
 
Semple said:
I think that tends to be the wider public opinion now.

We're obviously appalled to hear about breaches of human rights on all levels, but when you've got at least 3/4 of the world who stand by and don't want to get too involved in another countries problems. The onus shouldn't be on us "the west" to sort those problems out.
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Then why the **** did we go in there in the first place?! Give them a false sense of hope then throw them to the wolves when we get bored. Aren't we great. What a ******* joke we are.

2StepSteve said:
Listening to Biden tonight, I agree with a lot he has to say. But surely the intelligence had to have been there that this would all fall apart and fast as soon as the military was pulled out?

This will be a rinse and repeat when there is another attack on US soil.
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It's ok they'll just settle for carpet bombing the place to crap instead its a lot cheaper than spending billions propping up a puppet govt, no body bags coming home either (only countless afghan dead of course, but they don't count)
 
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Uther said:
At least it's not 'all' men...
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Reminds of the so-called migrant crisis of 2015. Every news channel had the same clip or two of dishevelled women and children on repeat for days. Meanwhile on the internet there were literally dozens of videos of thousands well fed, well dressed young men violently storming borders.

The media can invert reality with what they amplify and what they ignore.
 
Blackjack Davy said:
Then why the **** did we go in there in the first place?! Give them a false sense of hope then throw them to the wolves when we get bored. Aren't we great. What a ******* joke we are.
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...because this was an old score to settle through George W. Bush for his father.
 
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