Soldato
Let's be fair... Gurkha's are beasts. Anyone that isn't aware, they will often commit suicide for failing the tests they are that dedicated to it being their life.
Afghanistan - 20 years on
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Let's be fair... Gurkha's are beasts. Anyone that isn't aware, they will often commit suicide for failing the tests they are that dedicated to it being their life.
Soldato
If there was anyone you would choose to fight alongside it would be the Gurkha’s, it’s an absolute disgrace what the UK government are still doing to them
Soldato
I'm kinda conflicted with Afghanistan though.
1) Should we have expected the 300k army with every tool at their disposal to fight and kill their own country men? (If they were in-fighting before hand, maybe that's no excuse.)
2) Do the men in the Army even care about having more western style rights for women and people in General? If we look at communism, many people in those countries that were formally communist want that way of life back, even though it's technically worse.
3) The leaders abandoned the people at the first chance it seems. Why was that?
1) Should we have expected the 300k army with every tool at their disposal to fight and kill their own country men? (If they were in-fighting before hand, maybe that's no excuse.)
2) Do the men in the Army even care about having more western style rights for women and people in General? If we look at communism, many people in those countries that were formally communist want that way of life back, even though it's technically worse.
3) The leaders abandoned the people at the first chance it seems. Why was that?
I found this rather amusing:
Taliban hits back at question on restricting free speech and says Facebook censors outlets in the US
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ays-Facebook-censors-multiple-outlets-US.html
The Taliban responded to a question about free speech by pointing out the censorship that happens in the west. Well, he's not wrong is he? How can we aim to spread such values to Afghanistan that we no longer protect at home? speech which an authority doesn't like is subjective which is why freedom of speech is supposed to protect ALL speech..
Taliban hits back at question on restricting free speech and says Facebook censors outlets in the US
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ays-Facebook-censors-multiple-outlets-US.html
The Taliban responded to a question about free speech by pointing out the censorship that happens in the west. Well, he's not wrong is he? How can we aim to spread such values to Afghanistan that we no longer protect at home? speech which an authority doesn't like is subjective which is why freedom of speech is supposed to protect ALL speech..
Probably 7 out of every 10 at the top were just there for the money, power or prestige. Many lacked sufficient experience according to reports. (There is suspicion at least 1 in 3 were paid off by #someone# to hand the country over to the Taliban as well - but that is rumour).
Ultimately the Afghan armed forces were spread out trying to hold large parts of the country without sufficient supplies, equipment and in many cases unpaid in months and often exhausted - their position quickly became untenable.
Soldato
Soldato
On a sad note
"Afghanistan: At least one killed and several injured as Taliban violently disperse protest"
https://www.mkfm.com/news/national-...njured-as-taliban-violently-disperse-protest/
"Afghanistan: At least one killed and several injured as Taliban violently disperse protest"
https://www.mkfm.com/news/national-...njured-as-taliban-violently-disperse-protest/
Loooooool you really need to stop playing BF2.
dood have you seen the controls of the soviet/russian helis they are flying?
I didn't play BF2 I played hardcore sims and flew RChelis that could chop your head off with the rotor blades.
people flew planes into the world trade centre with minimal training..... why you think helis are so much harder?
From a quick google all I can find is former ANA pilots flying the Russian models. The American stuff all still seems grounded
Caporegime
The people who flew the planes into the WTC attended real pilot training. Also, flying a plane into a building is vastly easier than safely landing the same plane.
To be fair, you probably could learn to fly it in a very basic manner quite quickly. Learning to take off and land a small aircraft isn't all that difficult really.
US pulled their mechanics and support staff awhile back, and banned the purchase of Russian helicopters for Afghanistan despite there being significant complications with getting skills and suitable maintenance in place for using the US ones, then they delayed delivery of newer US stuff anyhow probably due to the intention to withdraw - so largely they were left with what was still operational of their older Russian helicopters and a few basic prop jobs (some of which they were also still reliant on foreign contractors to maintain to any significant level).
Despite Biden's claims of "Making sure their air force functions and is operable".
To be fair anyone who has spent significant time with a proper flight simulator would stand a chance of at least basic flight - someone who has just played video games and maybe casual simulator use, etc. in reality quite unlikely without proper supervision.
One of the videos was fake, it wasn't Taliban, the other they apparently have someone flying the Mi-17 but so what? Without lots of pilots, and more importantly, mechanics, the aircraft are useless.
The Afghanistan government couldn't even keep them in the air, the Taliban won't fair any better.
Caporegime
My father was 22 years in the royal signals. He always used to tell me stories about the Gurkha's he served with. Massive amount of respect for them.
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Listened to a few of thr speeches, some good debates, ref China, Russia, NATO, UK/US relationships... Good points but I guess ultimately will be forgotten within time.
Let's be honest, the US leadership, Biden and his administration, have totally got this so wrong they should be hounded for this for a while. We need to really pin them on this.
For all your Biden fanatics trying to blame Trump, do one, Biden wanted this for political reasons only, for some sort of morale high ground just to say he got the troops home but its all nonsense. They were leaving months ago leaving the ANA with little choice regarding air support and logistics etc, I was on one the flights of a lot bugging out, we heard it was happening and it was a total shock even to us where we were so it's all BS to say this was planned and prepared for. The US has chinned off us, NATO and the Afghans, to crack on with their rubbish gender/culture wars probably. Hope this stays a stain on them tbh because they don't deserve anything less on this matter.
Let's be honest, the US leadership, Biden and his administration, have totally got this so wrong they should be hounded for this for a while. We need to really pin them on this.
For all your Biden fanatics trying to blame Trump, do one, Biden wanted this for political reasons only, for some sort of morale high ground just to say he got the troops home but its all nonsense. They were leaving months ago leaving the ANA with little choice regarding air support and logistics etc, I was on one the flights of a lot bugging out, we heard it was happening and it was a total shock even to us where we were so it's all BS to say this was planned and prepared for. The US has chinned off us, NATO and the Afghans, to crack on with their rubbish gender/culture wars probably. Hope this stays a stain on them tbh because they don't deserve anything less on this matter.
Yup wanted a quick "win" to be seen as getting it done. Likely thought the situation on the ground would unfold much more slowly so it could be more effectively painted as the Afghan government screwing up and looking like they really did do all they could - which in reality isn't the case at all.
Trump did set things in motion more out of intention to spite the incoming government than anything else so there is that but Biden was in charge over the last few months so had options for how he handled it.
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There's a lot more to it than just black and white, troops in or troops out. Biden claims he couldn't reverse any previous decision its total BS, he is in charge or not?
…. lol surely not?