I don't love Davies by any stretch but feel the need to defend him as a regular listener, he's usually very irate and often goes on OTT rants in the name of comedy, he exaggerates a lot for effect rather than to cause offence, as I said further up, in the regular context and tone of the show, he was very respectful here. He'd usually not give a **** about causing offence and go full out
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I don't see the issue at all with Liverpool not wanting to play on the anniversary. The memorial service is attended by large numbers of people, all of whom you'd think would have a more valid opinion on what they should do that day than Alan Davies.
Does he really think he knows better than the 20k or so people who go each year about how they should mark the date?
His forthcoming Liverpool gig should be fun!
Does he really think he knows better than the 20k or so people who go each year about how they should mark the date?
His forthcoming Liverpool gig should be fun!
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If you listen to the podcast his point was about Liverpool as a football club and their fixture list, and never mentioned fans' or any private entity's activities.
They didn't force a fixture change, the fixtures hadn't been scheduled. As Liverpool found out earlier in the season, clubs can be forced to play 2 games in 3 days for no logical reason at all (Liverpool played City on the Sunday and then Chelsea in the league cup on the Tuesday). Liverpool's unwillingness to play on the Sunday hasn't forced Chelsea into anything, as I've said a couple of times, why couldn't the FA move the Semi's so they're a week apart?
Even if all 20 Premier League clubs refused to play on a certain day it wouldn't make anything impossible. There's more than enough days in the year to accommodate these dates.
Valid points put across in completely the wrong way. Playing football and respecting Hillsborough or any other disaster don't have to be mutually exclusive. In fact what better way, especially now time has passed, to respect the dead football fans than through playing the sport they loved?
But Anfield is used as the venue for the service and is attended by all club officials and staff.
Basically, even if the club wanted to play on the 15 April, they'd find it difficult without having a severe impact on the memorial service.
He might sound like he's being the voice of reason making out that Liverpool FC are somehow being awkward, when in reality, the club themselves, have very little choice and that will continue to be so whilst the memorial service is held in the current format.
He might as well say, "all you tens of thousands of people shouldn't do what you want to do on that day, cos I think you're being awkward".
Football games are shifted around all the time for loads of reasons.
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The game is a FA Cup semi final, Hillsborough disaster was an FA Cup semi final, they played Everton in the final, the game on Sunday is against their neighbours and arch enemies, so emotions will be running high.
I dont think Davies said anything nasty, just his swearing that makes it seem more nasty.
I think it's madness to allow Liverpool to dictate days they will not play on.
Give their opposition a bye if they won't fulfill a fixture. It's what would happen at any other level of the game. It's a completely unreasonable stance.
If the fans want to attend a memorial service held at Anfield then there's no-one stopping them. They can do that the same day as the game can't they? As long as the fixture isn't at home...
Give their opposition a bye if they won't fulfill a fixture. It's what would happen at any other level of the game. It's a completely unreasonable stance.
If the fans want to attend a memorial service held at Anfield then there's no-one stopping them. They can do that the same day as the game can't they? As long as the fixture isn't at home...
TBH I think it's got out of hand how many minutes' silences there are in English football, there's one practically every other match these days... they even had about a weeks worth for Muamba even though he wasn't actually dead and then there was about 3wks worth for Japan tsunami victims.
If people want to pay their respects they will do it in private, this over the top public mourning thing gets on my nerves.
On topic Liverpool should just play it's stupid really.
If people want to pay their respects they will do it in private, this over the top public mourning thing gets on my nerves.
On topic Liverpool should just play it's stupid really.
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Again, this totally misses the point.
It's not Liverpool FC per se dictating to anyone that they won't play on that day, it's that they can't play on that day without changing the memorial service, something, at a local level at least, would be politically impossible to do.
How can the team play away if the match day staff, manager and players are attending a memorial service at Anfield?
I think once the Justice Campaign eventually gets as far with it's aims as it can and there's some kind of closure on the subject, the memorial service will become naturally become less important and these kind of discussions would have more relevance.
Show me the last high profile incident in which someone has stuck to their guns and not apologised after loads of people have decided they are outraged.
If you say anything that someone doesn't like or could take as offensive, you have to say sorry regardless of your true feelings.
There is no way he could have said what he did (however he phrased it) without people becoming outraged. I personall think that they should be able to play on that day but its not up to me and neither side of this can be said to be the right one. Its a personal view that each person is entitled to.
I think that people who whinge and blame the rail companies when their loved ones win a darwin award by getting hit by a train are complete idiots. The fact that one of your loved ones has died doesn't give your opinion preference over others or make you right.
I just wish these sort of issues were discussed logically rather than running off to the most emotionally affected person who will give the media the outrage they want.
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I personally dont see a problem with what Davies said nor the way he said it at the same time though I dont see a problem with Liverpool not wanting to play on a certain day because of a traditional event they hold. Like Baz said if Chelsea have a problem with the fixture congestion then there are ways the FA could have helped them out, it's nothing to do with Liverpool.
The big story to come out of this from my perspective is that for the second time this season Liverpool supporters are being publicly outed for sending death threats to someone. Not cool.
The big story to come out of this from my perspective is that for the second time this season Liverpool supporters are being publicly outed for sending death threats to someone. Not cool.
without wishing to sound disrespectful - is there anyone at LFC that was connected to LFC at the time of the disaster?
If there is , this MIGHT have slight implications - as imo Charlton and others at Utd are shown respect on Munich's anniversary ...if they werent closely linked with the club its another matter entirely
If there is , this MIGHT have slight implications - as imo Charlton and others at Utd are shown respect on Munich's anniversary ...if they werent closely linked with the club its another matter entirely
I don't see anything wrong in what he has said, he's just said it in the wrong way in my opinion, but what would have been the correct way to say something like that with causing controversey?
He has only said what everyone else is thinking anyway, do they hold a day of mourning for Heysel? Do Bradford? Do Manchester United? Does anyone else that has had disasters happen within their clubs?
He has just gone about it in the wrong way but he is only speaking what people have thought for a while, it seems to be getting bigger and bigger by the year (I don't ever remember it being as big as it has been the last few years) and whilst I think it needs to be remembered, we shouldn't let it dictate the games now.
The death threats are pathetic, I suppose they can add it to their list of people they hate, The Sun, Boris Johnson and now Alan Davies!
I wonder if we'll see Rafa and his tears this year.
He has only said what everyone else is thinking anyway, do they hold a day of mourning for Heysel? Do Bradford? Do Manchester United? Does anyone else that has had disasters happen within their clubs?
He has just gone about it in the wrong way but he is only speaking what people have thought for a while, it seems to be getting bigger and bigger by the year (I don't ever remember it being as big as it has been the last few years) and whilst I think it needs to be remembered, we shouldn't let it dictate the games now.
The death threats are pathetic, I suppose they can add it to their list of people they hate, The Sun, Boris Johnson and now Alan Davies!
I wonder if we'll see Rafa and his tears this year.
You weren't kidding when a while back you said you only started following foot ball around the time of the Premier League being formed.
Well there's Dalglish for starters...
Like I say I dont see anything wrong with Liverpool choosing out of respect to not wish to play on 1 day of the year, it's 1 day out of a possible 365!!!
This is still ongoing. There are still families out there who haven't had justice. There are still families out there who haven't had the answers to how their loved ones died.
Thats why the feelings are so strong.
Families are still fighting for the truth.
YNWA96
RIP Kev
Thats why the feelings are so strong.
Families are still fighting for the truth.
YNWA96
RIP Kev
Howsabout nearly everyone who's from Liverpool who's older than 30 and younger than 70?
96 people doesn't sound like a lot, but from a City with less than 1m population that's not a great deal of degrees of separation.
An huge amount people I grew up with and I include myself in this, either knew someone, or knew someone who's family member died at Hillsborough. Along with the other 2000 or so people I went to school with for instance.
Steven Gerrard's cousin died there.
I've never been to the memorial service, but I respect the right of those that want to do so, and want to keep it in it's present form. It's nothing to do with football and certainly has nothing to do with Chelsea's fixture list or Alan Davies.
He's an idiot for getting involved.