Alder Lake-S leaks

[TNA]

Were the Linus results at 1080P? If so I would imagine that's a best case scenario for a performance difference in games. Would expect there to be little to no difference at higher resolutions.

There basically won’t be any difference at all at 4K, 1fps maybe

 

[Purgatory]

There basically won’t be any difference at all at 4K, 1fps maybe

Won't be any difference at 1440p forget 4k.

 

[tommoT.Striker]

Well if that’s the case then nothing to write home about then. Was expecting a lot more based on all the hype. Still good to see Intel catch up though.

Basically for gaming and value the 12600K is where it will be at from what I can see.

So from LTT's review

5950X is still the productivity king despite the 12900K being the king of CPU-Z benchmarks.

12900K edges ahead of select games, we will see if other reviews have the 12900K winning a majority.

Which means when Zen 3D launches, the top bin AMD CPU will beat Alder Lake hands down...probably.

But at least this isn't a rocket lake disaster. The 12600K looks like a solid CPU.

 

[Grim5]

Agreed. It'll be the value king, second to none at that price.

Plus it's terrible choice (IMO) to invest in DDR4 at this point. Z690 has Raptor Lake as a drop in upgrade. Perhaps Intel will become charitable in the light of competition from AMD and also make Meteor Lake compatible with Z690 - either way it's a platform with an upgrade path, DDR5, PCIE v5 etc.

You're right.

bad luck to those who went with drr4 boards. I just finished watching the Linus video and he said that DDR5 is faster for games on Alder Lake than DDR4. He didn't show benchmarks between different memory but he said he has a new video coming comparing DDR4 and DDR5 but that he can confirm if you have alder lake you should use DDR5

 

[TNA]

So from LTT's review

5950X is still the productivity king despite the 12900K being the king of CPU-Z benchmarks.

12900K edges ahead of select games, we will see if other reviews have the 12900K winning a majority.

Which means when Zen 3D launches, the top bin AMD CPU will beat Alder Lake hands down...probably.

But at least this isn't a rocket lake disaster. The 12600K looks like a solid CPU.

Yep, that pretty much my take.

 

[Grim5]

So from LTT's review

5950X is still the productivity king despite the 12900K being the king of CPU-Z benchmarks.

12900K edges ahead of select games, we will see if other reviews have the 12900K winning a majority.

Which means when Zen 3D launches, the top bin AMD CPU will beat Alder Lake hands down...probably.

But at least this isn't a rocket lake disaster. The 12600K looks like a solid CPU.

Another take away is that DDR5 is in its infancy and it's expected alder lake will get even faster once faster DDR5 is available

 

[TNA]

Another take away is that DDR5 is in its infancy and it's expected alder lake will get even faster once faster DDR5 is available

By the time it is faster though we will be on next gen CPU’s and if you are happy to spend money to upgrade the ram in a year or two you will also probably upgrade the cpu too as there will be an upgrade path this time.

 

[Purgatory]

You're right.

bad luck to those who went with drr4 boards. I just finished watching the Linus video and he said that DDR5 is faster for games on Alder Lake than DDR4. He didn't show benchmarks between different memory but he said he has a new video coming comparing DDR4 and DDR5 but that he can confirm if you have alder lake you should use DDR5

Have you got a link to the video you watched ? Original one got taken down and sure someone has a copy of it posted somewhere. Thanks

 

[LtMatt]

So from LTT's review

5950X is still the productivity king despite the 12900K being the king of CPU-Z benchmarks.

12900K edges ahead of select games, we will see if other reviews have the 12900K winning a majority.

Which means when Zen 3D launches, the top bin AMD CPU will beat Alder Lake hands down...probably.

But at least this isn't a rocket lake disaster. The 12600K looks like a solid CPU.

Yep, that pretty much my take.

Damn, hate agreeing with TNA.

 

[TNA]

Damn, hate agreeing with TNA.

Haha. I know Matt, I have rustled your jimmies a bit too much lately. But you know me, it is just a bit of harmless banter and fun

Plus we can’t all agree on everything all the time

 

[Deleted User 456458]

@MartinPrince that’s xmp lol. There’s a reason I keep saying adl is going be a whole diff beast with real mem and proper tuning.

 

[rare]

Based of LTT figures, it looks pretty good and some solid scores. 12600k will be the one to have, but anyone upgrading from a 5000 series to this doesn’t make sense to me.

What I find even more interesting is how broadly competitive the 5000 series is, despite launching a year ago…

 

[timorous]

12600K did better vs 5600X than I expected in all honesty. Was only expecting a 2/3% performance advantage for the 12600K due to the cut down cache and lower turbo power limits vs 12900K but it held up better than I thought it would. Still not enough to offset the platform cost, especially if DDR5 is the way to go for ADL which just makes it yet more expensive. Still as an all rounder it looks like a good part. Shame LTT did not include the 5800X in their review because I think platform vs platform the 5800X is probably going to be similar in price to the 12600K and the results are probably going to be pretty close too.

Zen 3d is going to be faster than this by the looks of it but again not by much. As I have DDR4 still and want to wait for DDR5 to mature it looks like I may go for a Zen 3d upgrade early next year.

 

[JackJ2D]

Does anybody know when the embargo lifts?

 

[Shaz12]

Looking at the overall cost, I think 5900X works out cheaper for gaming overall and is 95% of the way there. The board and ddr5 costs are much higher with ADL than Zen 3 so comparing just the CPUs value proposition is misleading

 

[Shaz12]

Does anybody know when the embargo lifts?

4 hours from now I think.

 

[beasty6]

Hmmm not sure what to do now, do I cancel my 12600kf and ddr4 board order and move to a 5800x setup

I'm currently using a 10400f with b560 tomahawk

 

[Purgatory]

Haha. I know Matt, I have rustled your jimmies a bit too much lately. But you know me, it is just a bit of harmless banter and fun

Plus we can’t all agree on everything all the time

Exactly, well said.. I hope Matt does understand that, it's nothing ever personal.

More I look at these intel cpus the ones I like are the 12600k and the 12700k this time round. Like to see more on these as a new HTPC may be one of them if power and heat is kept sensible. Also then can stick a 4K UHD Bluray drive in and only Intel can do 4k UHD Bluray playback due to the DRM grr.

Will see looking forward to more reviews, Linus reviews are pretty rubbish, nothing more than a way to get you to click for his never ending adverts for his gear and his sponsors and most of the content turns into adverts not the actual article in question.. He's getting really annoying now with rubbish quality reviews and just the bare minimum to keep the review on topic and within the required benchmarks the company asked for in the reviews.

 

[alec]

Does anybody know when the embargo lifts?

saw a convoluted calculation messed up by different summer time in US and europe
something like 6am PT, 14:00 CET. So 1pm GMT?

 

[JackJ2D]

4 hours from now I think.

Perfect, thank you

 

[Poneros]

Looking at the overall cost, I think 5900X works out cheaper for gaming overall and is 95% of the way there. The board and ddr5 costs are much higher with ADL than Zen 3 so comparing just the CPUs value proposition is misleading

Funny you say that, I was actually looking at the same. It really puts it into perspective, and fundamentally nothing's changed in terms of what to buy. i5 11400f for value, and for big spenders then any high-end Intel/AMD CPU depending on your preferred games. And in absolute terms even the performance gains haven't moved up much, but we'll have to see based on other tests how it really looks (+ tightly tuned memory & OC results).