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Alder Lake-S leaks

Well my smugness over having my LGA 1700 AIO bracket delivered so quickly didn’t last long. Checked the manual and apparently as I ordered an ASUS board I need a new cover for the AIO which is a separate order.
 
MagicBoy said:
If they're still selling well, no need to drop the prices. Good old fashioned supply and demand.
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if they are trying to get market share they will have no option but to drop prices, i personally thought 5600x was always overpriced to begin with, good on intel for stepping up, some competition is always healthy.
 
SkillTim said:
Yeah, I don't get all this DDR5 rubbish. It looks like gamers are going to want to stick to DDR4 for lower latencies. Creators might benefit from the higher bandwidth of DDR5 but is it really worth it yet?
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Seems like Alder lake benefits from DDR5 more than DDR4 which makes sense considering half the chip has hyperthreading.
 
thebandit said:
What do people think AMD will do, knock current CPU prices down based on ADL ? there is a real argument for it on the 5600x, 5800x it seems.
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They don't have to do anything, because the Z690 platform is too expensive and if you want DDR5 versions of the boards it's even more expensive.

When you price up the same motherboards for X570 and Z690 and then add memory and cpu and ohh new cooler required too for Z690.. the real numbers come out how over priced this intel gen is.


Price the systems up and you will see what I mean.. there is a lot of smoke and mirrors tricks being done here by intel.
 
_Cereal_ said:
if they are trying to get market share they will have no option but to drop prices, i personally thought 5600x was always overpriced to begin with, good on intel for stepping up, some competition is always healthy.
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AMD already have the market share in the enthusiast niche.

CPU cost only is a red herring anyway. The Z690 boards are £LOL, as is DDR5 (of which there's very little supply). For the Christmas period, AMD are looking peachy.

EDIT : Oh and I forgot the extra gruftly PSU you'll need to run a 240W CPU....
 
jigger said:
Seems like Alder lake benefits from DDR5 more than DDR4 which makes sense considering half the chip has hyperthreading.
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and it doesn't look too hard to get the latencies down.

I've only seen two exampls so far of DDR4 on alder lake but it looks like it has the same memory controller issue as rocket lake - in other words DDR4 on alder lake = 50 to 60ns latency. DDR5 starts at around 80ns for the kits on sale now, but plenty people have managed to tweak it down to 55ns to 60ns while having 80 to 110gb/s.

so in reality DDR5 is already able to achieve the same latency as DDR4 while having double the bandwidth. That's why DDR4 doesn't make any sense for Alder lake
 
beasty6 said:
Exactly, that's why I'm thinking a 5800x and a b550 board, maybe a 3D chip, then look into a DDR5 platform, I'm currently priced out of going DDR5 straight away too
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Don't forget the cooler for Z690 if you decide that too or the adapters for your current cooler if it works.
 
Grim5 said:
and it doesn't look too hard to get the latencies down.

I've only seen two exampls so far of DDR4 on alder lake but it looks like it has the same memory controller issue as rocket lake - in other words DDR4 on alder lake = 50 to 60ns latency. DDR5 starts at around 80ns for the kits on sale now, but plenty people have managed to tweak it down to 55ns to 60ns while having 80 to 110gb/s.

so in reality DDR5 is already able to achieve the same latency as DDR4 while having double the bandwidth. That's why DDR4 doesn't make any sense for Alder lake
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It will vary depending on the Skylake to Atom ratio to which memory type works best for what chip and the topology. But I’d lean toward DDR5 if I was the type that couldn’t bring myself to buy AMD.
 
Grim5 said:
and it doesn't look too hard to get the latencies down.

I've only seen two exampls so far of DDR4 on alder lake but it looks like it has the same memory controller issue as rocket lake - in other words DDR4 on alder lake = 50 to 60ns latency. DDR5 starts at around 80ns for the kits on sale now, but plenty people have managed to tweak it down to 55ns to 60ns while having 80 to 110gb/s.

so in reality DDR5 is already able to achieve the same latency as DDR4 while having double the bandwidth. That's why DDR4 doesn't make any sense for Alder lake
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If spending more money when you don't need to doesn't make sense, then you have no sense.
 
uscool said:
Dave2150 said:
Producivity numbers are huge, really impressive. Sure it uses more power, though it'll complete whichever task it's running faster too, so this needs to be considered.

Example, Blender completing 16% faster on a 12900k vs 5950x, while also being cheaper to purchase.

Also assuming this is bog standard slow 4800Mhz or 5200Mhz memory Linus is using - the 6000Mhz, 7000Mhz RAM results should be further improvements.expensive.

@Dave2150 what made you come up with that ?
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That's not what the slide you quoted says?

12900K:
1:32 / 8:36

5950X
1:36 / 7:19

The 12900K is 3% Faster in the BMW Test but the 5950X is 16% faster in the Gooseberry test, these are times, a lower time is faster.
 
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