Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set

[Mint8]

Bit harsh.

The armourer - absolutely but the actor ?

 

[Thekwango]

am i reading this right, the lady that was killed, her husband brought a civil case against AB, which resulted in him ending up with a role in the film with AB??

She added that although this is the first news of criminal charges, civil suits have been filed.

"In the meantime… there were some civil cases that were brought," Ms Feraday said.

One of these was with the husband of Halyna Hutchins.

"He now has a role working on the movie with Alec Baldwin, and the details of that settlement beyond that are sealed

 

[dowie]

Rust shooting - latest: Alec Baldwin's team comes out fighting as victim's family say he showed 'conscious disregard for life'

Alec Baldwin will be charged with involuntary manslaughter, the New Mexico District Attorney reveals, over the 2021 Rust set shooting.

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Upto 18 months in jail don't reckon that will happen.

Perhaps he does need to be made an example of, he's the one ultimately responsible both as the producer and as the actor who pointed a gun at someone, fired it and ended up killing them.

If you're going to use a firearm and point it at people then basic firearms safety ought to be key, that ought to include making sure it is safe, if you can't do that then you shouldn't be in possession of a firearm. If he does end up spending 18 months in jail over this then perhaps in the future other Hollywood stars will take more responsibility themselves when firearms are used.

 

[StriderX]

am i reading this right, the lady that was killed, her husband brought a civil case against AB, which resulted in him ending up with a role in the film with AB??

That is uhh Hollywood for you I guess.

 

[Greebo]

Bit harsh.

The armourer - absolutely but the actor ?

probably more for the fact he was the producer on this film and i think he owns the film company?

 

[OspreyO]

Bit harsh.

The armourer - absolutely but the actor ?

There is certain element of personal responsibility there though. You should check yourself regardless of what you're told.

 

[adam cool dude]

There is certain element of personal responsibility there though. You should check yourself regardless of what you're told.

Not just that but he was also the producer. He should take responsibility for not following H&S. I am pretty sure when it is reviewed that many things were missed that led to the tragedy.

If my staff were not trained correctly and one of them died under my custody I would expect the law to be coming down on me too.

 

[Quartz]

If you're going to use a firearm and point it at people then basic firearms safety ought to be key, that ought to include making sure it is safe,

When acting a scene that's not always possible. That's in part why they have an armourer there to do that job. And to take that responsibility.

 

[Hades]

IT's probablyg a case of both parties trying to shift blame to the other. So the prosecuters will let the jury decide who is responsible.

 

[OspreyO]

When acting a scene that's not always possible. That's in part why they have an armourer there to do that job. And to take that responsibility.

If its not possible then you shouldn't use a real firearm on set.

 

[Semple]

It'll be interesting to see whether a jury will convict him.

I'd be amazed if she's found not guilty though - as the armourer it would have been her responsibility first to ensure there was no live ammunition on set.

 

[Dis86]

Shock.

 

[teenwolf]

It'll be interesting to see whether a jury will convict him.

I'd be amazed if she's found not guilty though - as the armourer it would have been her responsibility first to ensure there was no live ammunition on set.

i think we know who will be jailed on this one.

 

[Nasher]

I think Baldwin will avoid a sentence. He was unlucky and at the end of a chain of incompetence. But he fired the bullet which killed her so the court can't just brush him aside.

 

[SpellowHouse]

The blanks I have used were very obviously different to live rounds. On the left is a live and blank on the right. Some (Automatics) have a cardboard "bullet" that is shredded as its come out of the barrel.

Both blanks and dummies are used on set. The dummy is where the projectile is in place but there is no propellant. They are particularly used in pistols where the ammo can be seen by the camera. They are indistinguishable from live rounds so accidents can happen.
Brandon lee was killed when the gun he was using was loaded with dummies which where then removed and the gun was loaded with blanks. Unknown to them the projectile had come loose and wedged in the chamber so the gun became lethal when it was loaded with blanks.

 

[Uther]

I think Baldwin will avoid a sentence. He was unlucky and at the end of a chain of incompetence. But as someone got killed they won't just exclude someone who was directly involved from the trial.

I suspect they will have found a long list of bad practices and screw ups on that set.

 

[Quartz]

If its not possible then you shouldn't use a real firearm on set.

I happen to agree. But even those that fire blanks can be dangerous. And there still needs someone to make sure that the airsoft weapons really are airsoft weapons.

 

[visibleman]

Haven't really kept up with this but, what happened to the armourer in the end?
Ignore, just read another article that states Hannah Gutierrez-Reed is up for the same.

Still amazes me how live rounds ended up on the set though...

Ohh, up to 12 years for that.

It's being reported it's either up-to 18 months + $5k fine or, five years if the charge is upgraded to include "firearm enhancement" i believe.

 

[Rroff]

Not just that but he was also the producer. He should take responsibility for not following H&S. I am pretty sure when it is reviewed that many things were missed that led to the tragedy.

If my staff were not trained correctly and one of them died under my custody I would expect the law to be coming down on me too.

Makes more sense from the footage on the day - poorly organised, large amounts of incompetence, poor H&S (which is likely backed up with procedures not being followed/logged) and so on in evidence in the footage - which is something higher level management involved should be on top of.

I'm only a supervisor at work, covering the duty manager role as non-management, but if I was running operations below me with that kind of stuff going on I'd be out on my ear in no time (and likely prosecuted if something like that happened - albeit we don't do anything with firearms at work LOL though we do sometimes handle explosives).

 

[Uther]

Makes more sense from the footage on the day - poorly organised, large amounts of incompetence, poor H&S (which is likely backed up with procedures not being followed/logged) and so on in evidence in the footage - which is something higher level management involved should be on top of.

I'm only a supervisor at work, covering the duty manager role as non-management, but if I was running operations below me with that kind of stuff going on I'd be out on my ear in no time (and likely prosecuted if something like that happened - albeit we don't do anything with firearms at work LOL though we do sometimes handle explosives).

I'm guessing that it happens a lot in the industry, and usually nothing bad happens but this time they got caught out.