Soldato
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That is what she got, it's on the news already
Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set
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Soldato
Wasn't her dad or other family relative an experienced movie set armorer, not that it should be a free pass.
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How was it not really her fault?The face of "I'm screwed"
I feel a bit sorry for her. From what I have seen, it wasn't really her fault, it was the people above her.
She was 100% responsible for firearm safety, and personally loaded the gun Baldwin used.
Soldato
By the look of it, she should never have been given the job in the first place. If you give Homer Simpson control of a Nuclear Reactor, who's fault is it if it goes critical? Sure, Homer pressed the button, but the person who gave him the job should be responsible too?
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Seemed completely inappropriate for the job and a cheap hire and box ticking exercise in the first place. I feel sorry for her in the sense that overall she is a victim of greed, exacerbated by her own inner incompetence for her role.
Exactly and they will use her as the scapegoat. There a multiple failures at many levels. Baldwin is responsible for two of those failures and two levels.
Caporegime
What did homers cv say?
I think it was definitely her fault but that's actually less relevant: as armourer it was her responsibility. And she failed at that so she is now held responsible.
Soldato
Who actually trained her to be armourer? Her father? If he did he did a pee poor job.
Baldwin should also be culpable because he pointed the gun a someone and pulled the trigger even though the script didn't call for that action.
Baldwin should also be culpable because he pointed the gun a someone and pulled the trigger even though the script didn't call for that action.
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Soldato
Yeha I have to agree.
I appreciate this analogy is a bit silly because it would never be allowed to get to this stage.
But imagine you are going on holiday, your whole family on the plane pack full of other holiday makers children etc.
And the captain gets in the pilot seat and thinks, I dont have a bloody clue what I am doing, but **** it these things basically fly themselves right, lets puch some buttons and go, and the plane then crashes.
It was her responsility, so unless she went to her employer and made it damn clear she didnt know what she was doing, and they made her anyway, I can only think she either, carried on regardless knowing she was incompetent, or was too stupid to realse she was, and someone ended up getting killed because of it.
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I'm sure she's not completely incompetent. Most likely got a bit careless about things. Why bother checking the ammo, no-one brought live rounds in right.. It's just corner cutting and sloppiness. I'm sure she knows what she should have done, and what the rules are.
Apparently he has a legit degree in nuclear physics these days.
But that only happened after a surprise inspection forced Burns to get his useful idiot qualified.
Soldato
Yes, but he can't pronounce "nuclear" and that always made me suspicious.
Soldato
Absolutely this. If she didn’t feel up to the challenge, she should have got an actual armourer on set.
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Rust weapons supervisor Hannah Gutierrez jailed over fatal shooting on Alec Baldwin film set
Hannah Gutierrez was the armourer in charge of weapons during production of Rust in 2021, when a revolver fired by Alec Baldwin went off during a rehearsal, killing cinematographer Halyna Hutchins.
news.sky.com
Soldato
From what I've read they were doing target practice with live rounds during down time, basically messing around with an antique weapon for fun and then she didn't properly check it wasn't a live round in the gun. She absolutely was incompetent.
Soldato
Crazy irresponsible.
Always check any gun is empty before you put it away, completely unloaded, magazine out, bolt out (if you can) use a breach flag or strimmer wire through the barrel as a visual aid to show it's empty.
Anything short of that is just asking for trouble.
Oh and never rely of a safety either, you should never have to unless you are police or military etc
From earlier in the thread...
Do we still think that this was a good/well-qualified armored or was she a bit of a nepobaby/diversity hire rolled into one and completely out of her depth? hmmm
Would an ex-military SNCO or warrant officer in the positon of armourer have been too timid to assert himself on set when it came to weapons safety? Doubtful.
She's not happy at the jury:
www.independent.co.uk
Do we still think that this was a good/well-qualified armored or was she a bit of a nepobaby/diversity hire rolled into one and completely out of her depth? hmmm
Would an ex-military SNCO or warrant officer in the positon of armourer have been too timid to assert himself on set when it came to weapons safety? Doubtful.
She's not happy at the jury:
Rust movie armourer branded jury ‘idiots’ ahead of sentencing for deadly shooting
Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, 26, found guilty in March
www.independent.co.uk
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This thread is quite funny to look back on - not only some people sticking up for the armored because her dad is well known but also trying to pretend that actors can't possibly have any responsibility at all.
"I just made up a prediction and therefore can infer you are wrong"
As for Jono's psychic powers:
So Alec Baldwin was, in fact, prosecuted... which would infer that Jono is wrong.
"I just made up a prediction and therefore can infer you are wrong"
As for Jono's psychic powers:
Alec Baldwin faces fresh manslaughter charge over 'Rust' shooting
A New Mexico grand jury has charged the actor anew over the on-set shooting death of Halyna Hutchins.
www.bbc.co.uk
So Alec Baldwin was, in fact, prosecuted... which would infer that Jono is wrong.