*** Alien: Covenant ***

TripleT said:
Saw it this morning. I liked it. Yes it had a few irritants but nothing major.

I'm not a massive Alien universe buff but I assume this is the colony that eventually features in Aliens?
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dont think so because in the directors cut, Newts parents actually find the crashed Alien ship before the dad gets impregnated.
 
TripleT said:
Saw it this morning. I liked it. Yes it had a few irritants but nothing major.

I'm not a massive Alien universe buff but I assume this is the colony that eventually features in Aliens?
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As @Kyo has already said, plus...

In Alien the colony is on LV-426, in Covenant, they're heading to Origae-6
 
Glanza said:
Saw it this morning, it definitely had more of the original Alien feel to it than the last few films in the franchise that said I did like the nods to the soundtrack to Prometheus.

The whole David being on the ship twist was too easy to spot

Did we even get a true answer to how Shaw died? Did David kill her whilst experimenting or did she die then he preformed them?
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think she died when she got impregnated. From the corpse you see the chest cavity burst out and there was hugger on the table but not 100% sure


One thing I didn't quite get, does this movie not change....

the origin a little. If David bio engineered and perfected the alien species then why was the engineers transporting the eggs In the very first film?. We always assumed the engineers created the normal xenomorph species to begin with?
 
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Kyo said:
If David bio engineered and perfected the alien species then why was the engineers transporting the eggs In the very first film?. We always assumed the engineers created the normal xenomorph species to begin with?
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Remember Alien takes place chronologically after Covenant.
 
bowey said:
Trailer is annoying the CGI alien looks so computerised, embarrassing considering a film made in 1979 looks better i wish they would go back old school.
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I've just watched the Director's Cut of Aliens (again) and it is astonishingly good. Not just good as in 'good for an 80s movie', but good as in 'would still be fantastic even if it was only just released this year.'

James Cameron's direction is exceptional. There's not a single wasted shot. Sure, some of the special effects are very dated, but the effects for the aliens are superb.

The aliens look and feel solid, real, palpable. Their presence is very strong, even though we rarely see a full body shot. Cameron knew that 'less is more', and was very selective about how much he showed.

The plot is strongly character-driven, and the characters themselves are believable, despite being painted with broad brushstrokes.

The more you look back to movies like Aliens, the more you realise how badly CGI has ruined films.
 
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Evangelion said:
I've just watched the Director's Cut of Aliens (again) and it is astonishingly good. Not just good as in 'good for an 80s movie', but good as in 'would still be fantastic even if it was only just released this year.'

James Cameron's direction is exceptional. There's not a single wasted shot. Sure, some of the special effects are very dated, but the effects for the aliens are superb.

The aliens look and feel solid, real, palpable. Their presence is very strong, even though we rarely see a full body shot. Cameron knew that 'less is more', and was very selective about how much he showed.

The plot is strongly character-driven, and the characters themselves are believable, despite being painted with broad brushstrokes.

The more you look back to movies like Aliens, the more you realise how badly CGI has ruined films.
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Definitely. Ridley had overly long dodgy CGI shots of the baby Aliens and they lose any horror they might have had. Cameron managed to cram in a tonne of personality into each Marine in Aliens. Put it this way, you wouldn't catch Hicks shoving his head into an Alien egg to take a wee look. Oh and how freaking good is the sound effects in Aliens? The smart gun, the motion tracker and the pulse rifle. Just the sound of the motion tracker gave me chills in the Aliens movie.

Example, sooo good. *** video removed due to swearing ***
 
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So this movie sounds as bad as Prometheus, a crew of idiots? Almost sounds like they should have went for that other Aliens movie idea that the concept art was floating about for, last i heard that's not going to happen.
 
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ColdAsIce said:
Cameron managed to cram in a tonne of personality into each Marine in Aliens. Put it this way, you wouldn't catch Hicks shoving his head into an Alien egg to take a wee look. Oh and how freaking good is the sound effects in Aliens? The smart gun, the motion tracker and the pulse rifle. Just the sound of the motion tracker gave me chills in the Aliens movie.
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The sound was exceptional, and watching it again today made me realise just how well Cameron used silence as well. There's a number of crucial scenes in which no music is played at all but the tension is agonisingly high.

These days, movies shift into a brand new score every time the hero picks up a mug of coffee.

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I actually quite liked it and think people are being way too harsh. Huge step up from Prometheus which just had 75% of characters doing unbelievably stupid things.

I wouldn't say the whole crew were idiots in this...

Just the Captain really falling for David's trick. Sure I'll look into this alien egg that opened up after watching you get upset with me for bagging an alien that literally tore one of my crew apart.

The woman on the shuttle, I actually had sympathy for her. She reacted like a lot of us would have - scared crapless that whatever alien bug the crewman had was catching. To her credit she went in with a shotgun after she saw the creature burst out and realised it wasn't just a case of the flu.

I wonder if...
we'll get to see the Walter again? David, as Walter realised is starting to lose his mind, as in actual memories are getting corrupted as he forgot who wrote that poem.

Also on the engineers...
I do wonder if the dead on the planet weren't just another humanoid species created by them that just looked more similar to them than humans. They didn't seem to be 8ft giants? Bit annoying as all it would take to clear up is a single line from David.

Shaw...
Did David kill her or experiment post accidental death? Maybe those locals killed her (perhaps when they thought she was an engineer/god coming to visit) causing David to really flip out and wipe them out?

edit: I expect an extended edition will fill in some blanks - but maybe they're keeping a lot back for follow ups.
Fassbender was outstanding - really holding the whole thing together.
 
Washout said:
Also on the engineers...
I do wonder if the dead on the planet weren't just another humanoid species created by them that just looked more similar to them than humans. They didn't seem to be 8ft giants? Bit annoying as all it would take to clear up is a single line from David.
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Not seen it yet but the crossing trailer shows other engineer ships floating around so presumably it is them, would be a bit daft for them to have Aliens that looked identical but for some reason wasn't them.

I just wonder how things would have went if Prometheus had been better received. From everything I've seen of this its like the original plans for the sequel for Prometheus were scrapped and they just went down the Alien "horror" route again.
 
Utter pap, i'd easily rate even rate Alien 3 above this. At least the Prometheus had a Shaw to like this had no one and where did half the crew disappear too?. The first Human colonisation to a far away world and they send utter morons to do it.

Did David cut off his hand to make himself look like Walter?
 
I'm honestly not sure what to make of it... I'm not sure what this film was at all, it was very strange in places.....
The freshly born Xeno raising its arms to David, which looked stupendously bad... and the whole David and Walter section, which I quite enjoyed, but was very odd and may well seem cringe-worthy on further viewings...
The CGI was too obvious (and poor at times) revealing too much and removing any mystique or fear factor; less was always more. I need to see it again to get a better feel for it, but at the moment I am left feeling bemused and confused :o
 
DIABLO said:
Utter pap, i'd easily rate even rate Alien 3 above this. At least the Prometheus had a Shaw to like this had no one and where did half the crew disappear too?. The first Human colonisation to a far away world and they send utter morons to do it.

Did David cut off his hand to make himself look like Walter?
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i think so the hole thing was just STUPID.. the only way they could imagine to make it not look like that had happened was to make him "bring to their attention" the alien on the ship, and "help them" kill it (which there was no reason for him to do)

i think some of these Hollywood types are so rich and powerful people are just not willing to tell the "THAT'S JUST STUPID"

hmm alien world... test air? nope... consider bio hazard? nope.... split up... yes...

bunch of useless Muppet's to pilot your ship? CHECK!

10 years in the planning... don't train anyone at all in anything.. CHECK

even the premise is stupid.. just make it a science ship that EXPLORING... you don't plan for 10 years colony then change the plans on a whim...

make the disaster force them into a course of action...

the grab a gun, run, slip over, hurt self, throw gun away scene was just cringe worthy - b movie worthy tripe...

its like they gave kids the script to write...

I was so excited to go and see this film but I wanted to leave after the fist 45 mins...

If your plot relies on morons doing stupid things here is a tip have a disaster kill all the crew... have some civilians woken up who make all the wrong decisions.. at least then you are not making me want to throw things at the screen...
 
redline said:
I'm honestly not sure what to make of it... I'm not sure what this film was at all, it was very strange in places.....
The freshly born Xeno raising its arms to David, which looked stupendously bad... and the whole David and Walter section, which I quite enjoyed, but was very odd and may well seem cringe-worthy on further viewings...
The CGI was too obvious (and poor at times) revealing too much and removing any mystique or fear factor; less was always more. I need to see it again to get a better feel for it, but at the moment I am left feeling bemused and confused :o
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one good thing about the crappy story / crappy everything is I never noticed the bad CGI!!! I actually thought it was the best part of the film!
 
edscdk said:
one good thing about the crappy story / crappy everything is I never noticed the bad CGI!!!
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Ah well, if you ever see it again take note... you'll have nothing left then :p

So how did David end-up with fully formed [huge] eggs, which were birthed by a queen in Aliens and presumably Alien?... oh dear, here we go... I'm thinking about the film and finding all sort of nonsense; I'm getting quite a list :o

I can take (stupid) people doing stupid things and ending up in trouble, its a horror movie trope and is kind-of fun... its more the things like the above spoiler that annoy me...
 
Don't know!.. maybe more than one opened?

At this point, having a few hours to digest it, I'm thinking Prometheus is a far better film.... it opened-up some interesting things, that have been squandered by this... I liked the science/creation stuff it introduced with the Engineers, but this film has wiped them out, to be replaced by a one robot, self styled god, that could be good, but isn't.
 
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