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BaZ87 said:
looking from the outside it appears as if Chelsea don't have a proper structure in place. It appears to be a bit of a compromise between what the manager wants, what RA wants and the guys running Chelsea's "development plan"
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It does look messy, but I still believe the plan and structure is firmly in place, it has been for a few years and that the ideas are excellent. The board and the technical development know their objectives and have been working steadily for those.

The signing of Torres derailed the emerging new image of the club in a dramatic way, and that's the cause of the mess that we perceive from the outside. It's possible that Man City clouded RA's judgement as well, I think the pursuit of Modric for £30M+ was another example of the silly spending driven by the owner and again that has really sabotaged the sense of a club in transition with a clear plan.

Prior to the Torres signing Chelsea were making a good transition from paying stupid transfer fees and the signings were becoming much more strategic and intelligent. It looked like financial stability would be eventually be achieved. Those good strategic signings have continued. If you can ignore Torres and the Modric saga then you can see a pattern of good squad planning and sound financial planning.

The structure is still there, you just can't see sometimes because of the distractions created by RA. If the development plan was as it is, only supplemented by 1-2 players requested by the manager then the situation might be close to ideal and no one would be worrying about a lack of structure.
 
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BaZ87 said:
you can't say you will compete on all fronts when you finished 6th in the League.
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I don't see why not; they start the season joint top and assuming they were to recruit well over the summer (players & manager) I certainly wouldn't dismiss the idea of Chelsea being very competitive next season.
 
You think we should build our team around an inconsistent winger who can't take corners and thinks he's as good as Ronaldo? Dear lord...

He isn't worth 130,000 per week and when he plays like he did for the second half of last season he shouldn't even be starting. If he's getting too big for his boots and wants more money, sell him. We've let far better players leave.

I should say, I'm not saying he's not good. He is and he's probably our best 'skilled' player, but that doesn't say much when you look at our current team. He has had four or five seasons of playing well for a few games and being plain rubbish for the other 30. I don't really think he has earned the right to demand silly contracts.
 
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md85 said:
You think we should build our team around an inconsistent winger who can't take corners and thinks he's as good as Ronaldo? Dear lord...

He isn't worth 130,000 per week and when he plays like he did for the second half of last season he shouldn't even be starting. If he's getting too big for his boots and wants more money, sell him. We've let far better players leave.
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How does he think he's Ronaldo? If anything he's said repeatedly he's not Ronaldo nor trying to be him :o

Cant take corners? That applies to everyone in the team? If that's a prerequisite to being a Man Utd player why not sack the entire team then? :o

Lastly if by the way he performed the second half of last season you mean being injured then yeah lets sell him for being injured :o

Seriously :o

EDIT: Nice ninja to contradict all of the above ;)
 
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Tom84 said:
How does he think he's Ronaldo? If anything he's said repeatedly he's not Ronaldo nor trying to be him :o

Cant take corners? That applies to everyone in the team? If that's a prerequisite to being a Man Utd player why not sack the entire team then? :o

Lastly if by the way he performed the second half of last season you mean being injured then yeah lets sell him for being injured :o

Seriously :o
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"Myself and Cristiano make up two of the best wingers in the world and our statistics for our club show that."

If you get paid £130,000 a week to be good at running down the wing, crossing, shooting and deadball situations, you should be able to get at least one corner a game on the penalty spot.

... 'Ninja'... I posted it 2 minutes before you post... It doesn't contradict either, I hadn't said he wasn't good. In fact I reaffirmed my inconsistency point.
 
It's likely all moot anyway, Fergie will give him what he wants and he'll sign a new contract. Not sure where he'd go anyway though. I doubt Arsenal, Chelsea, City would want him, and Real and Barca wouldn't. Possibly Bayern or one of the Milans.
 
md85 said:
... 'Ninja'... I posted it 2 minutes before you post... It doesn't contradict either, I hadn't said he wasn't good. In fact I reaffirmed my inconsistency point.
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Right now I'd say Nani is second only to Rooney (maybe) as United's best player, he's better than Valencia and he's a billion times better than Young, so I'd give him what he wants or you have a bloody good replacement lined up. Nani's biggest problem is Fergie jerking him around, when played in one position week in week out you get what he delivered last season (carrying the team at times almost single handily while Rooney was off tanning himself in America)

As for his quote he's not saying he's as good as Ronaldo he's saying between them they're the two best wingers in the world, it's a slightly moot point given Ronaldo is given a much more free role at Madrid but I still wouldn't disagree with the principle :cool:
 
Can we fall somewhere between the two extremes of he's either the greatest or he needs throwing on the scrapheap? :p

I think most people acknowledge he's one of our better players, he's not so good that we couldn't improve on him though. Even in the few cases where you do have arguably the best player in the world for their position, you still have the potential for the team to improve as a whole if the right acquisitions are made. Nani is far from the best in his position, so not only could the team improve, the potential to bring in a better like for like replacement also exists.

Yes we could get worse, but I don't think he brings so much to the team that the only way without him is down. There's plenty of very successful teams around the world that manage without Nani in their side ;).
 
wedgie said:
Yes we could get worse, but I don't think he brings so much to the team that the only way without him is down. There's plenty of very successful teams around the world that manage without Nani in their side ;).
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Who do you think we could get that's better than Nani then? As it goes I think a lot of the boring monotonous performances last season (specifically at the end of the season Fulham, QPR, Swansea at home, Wigan and Sunderland away) was due to the lack of Nani in the team, so I disagree I think losing him could be massive (providing he's not sufficiently replaced)
 
Tom84 said:
Who do you think we could get that's better than Nani then? As it goes I think a lot of the boring monotonous performances last season (specifically at the end of the season Fulham, QPR, Swansea at home, Wigan and Sunderland away) was due to the lack of Nani in the team, so I disagree I think losing him could be massive (providing he's not sufficiently replaced)
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I've yet to give it much thought, have to start looking likely he'll be off before I begin to worry about who else we'll bring in for him. One problem I do see him continuing to have though is Valencia, he's a right winger and nothing but that (aside from the odd job he's done at right back). Which means I think Nani will continue to get a shot at his best position, but not a permanent run at it, not while Valencia remains at the club.

Not that I want him to go, but the days where I think losing one or two of your teams better players spells disaster are long gone. It all depends on your final point, he has to be sufficently replaced for it to be beneficial to the team, I just don't see that as an impossible task is all.
 
I'd start Valencia and Young ahead of Nani. He is probably thinking the same thing and he should be playing first team football and not sitting on the bench.
 
Robert1986 said:
I'd start Valencia and Young ahead of Nani. He is probably thinking the same thing and he should be playing first team football and not sitting on the bench.
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All depends on the style of football that we play. Hopefully if we get Kagawa we will have a bit more of a threat down the centre and won't have to always rely on crosses from Valencia. I think Nani would be a lot better in a team that moves the ball a little quicker and looks for space rather than classic wing play.
 
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The Running Man said:
kagawa move could be hit by work permit issues. apparently he hasnt played enough for Japan lately so i guess we would have to go for some kind of special dispensation.
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This isn't even going to remotely be a problem, far more unlikely players have got work permits for far smaller clubs.

Nonsense story!
 
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