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Right now I'd say Nani is second only to Rooney (maybe) as United's best player, he's better than Valencia and he's a billion times better than Young, so I'd give him what he wants or you have a bloody good replacement lined up. Nani's biggest problem is Fergie jerking him around, when played in one position week in week out you get what he delivered last season (carrying the team at times almost single handily while Rooney was off tanning himself in America)

As for his quote he's not saying he's as good as Ronaldo he's saying between them they're the two best wingers in the world, it's a slightly moot point given Ronaldo is given a much more free role at Madrid but I still wouldn't disagree with the principle :cool:

Agreed! When given a run in the team Nani is fantastic, I'd be gutted if we lost him because he's one of the few players at United that are exciting to watch.
 
Id say hes easily one of the best strikers in the world at the moment . If hes moving then he should be the priority of all clubs after a striker. Wonder what his statistics are for the 91 goals he has scored for Real from the bench? Such a talent.

Seeing as he was born in France go Arsenal go!!
 
FYI (if it hasnt already been mentioned)

There are reports that Kagawa hasnt got enough International caps for Utd to be able to get a work pemit - so the club will have to apply through "exceptional talent" route
 
FYI (if it hasnt already been mentioned)

There are reports that Kagawa hasnt got enough International caps for Utd to be able to get a work pemit - so the club will have to apply through "exceptional talent" route

It has been mentioned and that sort of thing won't prove to be a problem, far more awkward work permits have been obtained.

I don't even know if that caps thing is true either.
 
FYI (if it hasnt already been mentioned)

There are reports that Kagawa hasnt got enough International caps for Utd to be able to get a work pemit - so the club will have to apply through "exceptional talent" route

We (southampton) got a work permit for the Japanese forward Tadanari Lee who had 7 international caps in the last year and was a free to a champ team Man United will get Kagawa one in the Prem.

The board are pretty reasonable on letting big footballers into the English leagues on the "exceptional talent" front (except on FM to Burton in the champ, thats not so good)
 
It has been mentioned and that sort of thing won't prove to be a problem, far more awkward work permits have been obtained.

I don't even know if that caps thing is true either.

well according to all reports he hasnt played in 75% of Japan's international's in the last three years , which is the stipulation for an automatic permit (from what I understand, not that surprising as the season before last he was out injured for a long spell)

(never suggested that Utd wouldnt get the permit - but the signing will be held up for a number of weeks in all liklihood)

edit - However good Nani was in 10/11, he was bordering on average to terrible over some stages of 11/12 when he played. Valencia is definitely a better option on the right - as for on the left, Young is equally bad but given its his first season at the club a little harsh to judge him yet. Nani isnt worth £130k /week by any means

Personally think that quote from Nani re ronaldo is a complete laugh.
 
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Makes me laugh that people are willing to throw x amount of money a week at Hazard but 130k/week to tie down one of our most talented players is considered too much. :o

if you cant rely on that talent every week (when said player is available) then after 5 seasons, no he isnt worth it

(completely different to a youngster just getting his first big break - and Im even on record here saying the transfer fee was too much, let alone wages)
 
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He's had an injury disrupted season this year but he's one of our most productive players.
 
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He's had an injury disrupted season this year but he's one of our most productive players.

As always, completely disproportionate comparison, Nani didn't arrive at Utd as young as Ronaldo or get played in the same way, would you expect Ronaldo's first 100 appearances from 18-21, to produce the same as the second 100 from 21-24? Because that is basically the comparison being done.

Nani is about 1.5 years younger than Ronaldo, yet joined 4 years later, he had 76 appearances and 11 goals to his name at Sporting, Ronaldo had 31 appearances and 5 goals, his first couple years weren't particularly good, he was adjusting to the league, to a new country and doing it at a younger age when you don't really expect a huge amount from a player.

Nani's best season in the league to date is 9 goals 14 assists, Ronaldo's best at Utd alone was 31 goals, 7 assists.

Now factor this in, Ronaldo had that best season 5 years ago, and has put in 4 brilliant seasons since, he's only 18 months older than Nani, his best season was 2 seasons ago(in terms of stage of career and age, WELL after Ronaldo) and he couldn't match that this season.

Compare that first 100 appearances of Nani's to Ronaldo's first 100 at Real, it still fairly pointless, but a lot more relevant than comparing what Ronaldo did from 18-21, to Nani from 20-23(ish).

This also ignores that fact that from 2003-2006 Utd had Arsenal and Chelsea winning the title, and Utd were simply a weaker team when Ronaldo arrived, and in no small part due to Ronaldo coming of age after his first couple seasons that Utd got so much stronger and were in a much MUCH stronger period when Nani arrived.

Is he worth keeping, yes, is he one of your best players, yes. Neither of those things adds up to automatically offering him any money to keep him. LIkewise almost everyone has agreed Hazard isn't worth the fee nor ridiculous wages, he's unproven in a top league though looks very promising.

For me, I think Nani will want out of Utd at some stage anyway, so you can throw very high wages at him(when the club realistically should be looking to get rid of debt as quickly as possible for long term complete security), then see him leave anyway. The other option is let him go now and look for someone as good or better. He's rarely put in "long" seasons so far, he's only started 25+ league games twice in his career, he's only played in over 30 games in the league for Utd once.

Just because City and Chelsea can throw completely stupid money at wages and take 200mil losses a year doesn't mean anyone else should. 130k at a non billionaire backed club is for simply incredible players, not just pretty good. For a player who is frequently annonymous, is only sparingly brilliant, does very little work defensively, and isn't the fittest player around, and at his best is some way short of being the best winger around. None of that add's up to throwing money at him, if he'll stay on a reasonable contract, sure, if you can sell him and bring in a fantastic promising younger/cheaper player, that's just good business.

If he was going to turn into a Ronaldo, 20+ assists every year or 20+ goals, he'd have done so years ago.
 
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I agree that it's not a perfect comparison, but I think writing it off on the basis of age is overly simplistic. Players don't just get better by getting older, they improve by having the best coaches and facilities available to them. Ronaldo was lucky enough to have that for more of his formative years whereas Nani was developed later. Playing more games in the dire Portuguese league will not improve you as a player.

The comparison ceases to become interesting after the 100 game point anyway as Ronaldo played a more advanced role in our attack the longer he stayed at United, so it's no surprise he starts scoring more goals but providing fewer assists. Up to that point he was just about a legitimate winger with less of a free role.

Anyway, only an idiot would look at that graphic and assume that Nani is better than - or as good as - Ronaldo, it's just an opportunity to highlight those quirky coincidences that happen in football statistics and provoke a debate. Nani will never reach Ronaldo's level as he doesn't have the physical presence to match his natural ability, but he's comfortably good enough to be in the group of wingers below with the likes of Ribery, Robben, Di Maria and so on. If we offloaded him he would not be easily, or cheaply, replaced.

Edit: wow, your post has expanded even more while I was posting. I assume you're just pointing out a bit more that Nani isn't Ronaldo so I'll give it a miss if you don't mind. ;)
 
Can't disagree with any of the points dm makes there, especially considering what I mentioned earlier, when is Nani going to get a real run at his best position while Valencia is at the club? If he were to, then maybe I could see a case for paying a little extra to keep him.
 
Disagree, it's your opinion :p.

He's clearly more of a threat on the right. Can't imagine Fergie feels much different, otherwise Nani on the left, Valencia on the right, there's our wingers sorted without ever needing to bring in Young.
 
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