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I'm sceptical as well. If he did sign though it would be a big indication that RVP was probably leaving.
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I'm sceptical as well. If he did sign though it would be a big indication that RVP was probably leaving.
It wouldn't make any sense though, as that calibre of signing is the kind of thing needed to keep RvP.
Hes a great player and would suit arsenal perfectly to be honest. If I was an arsenal supporter I would rather sell RVP and get this boy in for the same price than let RVP go after forcing him to stay for his final year.
Yeah, like with Ronaldo. You know...
I remember this forum when Nokkon was the only one saying Ronaldo would come good while the rest of the united and general fans laughed how he wouldn't full fill his promise and was a one trick step over donkey!
How things change!
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Hazard announcing on twitter he's made his mind up. Louis Saha tweeting that Hazard is going to Chelsea.
Why will Torres magically become better once Drogba's gone
He (Torres), had enough chances as a starter this season in games when Drog wasnt available, yet he still flopped. Why such a drastic turn around just because Drog has now left?
I still dont believe Chelsea can afford the risk of spending £100m+ in one window (as a club) without UEFA throwing everything at them
Im also a little mystified why mega stars (or even potential mega stars) will agree to move to a club who currently dont have a manager yet - who ever the owner is (and how rich he is). Players have a 10 - 15 year career at best right at the top , they arent going to sign a 1/3 of that away on such a big unknown (and as Arsernal found in their 1st year at the Emirates, home results in a brand new stadium arent always as expected - which might add another question mark to players considering Chelsea as a destination)
edit - I still think somehow the stadium will have to count towards FFP in some way, even if its not 100% of the cost /value (I suppose RA could rent the land /buildings to CFC on a 100 year lease or something - but there is also the current ownership situation to consider , with the fans owning the current pitch, whether this will be transfered or not etc etc)
How is Saha linked with Hazard - they arent international team mates, did Saha originally come from Lille all those years ago prior to his arrival in Fulham? Seems like just a guess to me from LS
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Lots of rumours that he is heading to Chelsea. Seems bizarre to me but hey ho. I can't think of too many transfers that have happened when a club doesn't have a manager. How can you decide if you like where the club is going and what style of football / future prospects you may have.
He wants to play champions league so he joins a team that has a good chance of being banned from the CL through FFP regulations.
I remember this forum when Nokkon was the only one saying Ronaldo would come good while the rest of the united and general fans laughed how he wouldn't full fill his promise and was a one trick step over donkey!
How things change!
I wasn't around when Nokkon was but I've seen the argument that so and so United fans on ocuk said this far to many times. They speak for themselves not the majority.
Why would Saha know where he's going? If he goes to Chelsea it'll make the whole league a lot more competitive next season which can only be a good thing imo
Chelsea need another 2-3 more players to compete for the title though. How can they afford those players as well as hazard? The only reason he considered chelsea was the CL and Chelsea will be banned if they blow ~£100 on players on large wages.
Do managers fees come into the FFP rules? If so, I wouldn't be surprised if Chelsea are already in trouble on that front.
I honestly have no idea where he will go but logically United ticks more boxes than City or Chelsea. Is he announcing who he has chosen this afternoon or has he just "decided" ready to announce after the friendly next week?
The pressure of playing under Drogba I imagine; he owned that dressing room and I think Torres became intimidated. All speculation of course and Torres may well flop again this year - but I don't think he will.
Take a read of this; Chelsea are on track to make FFP - even more so with the Champions League win.
http://www.weaintgotnohistory.com/2012/2/9/2787509/chelsea-financial-fair-play-analysis
Because they've won more trophies than any club in the Premiership bar United in the last 10 years; or because they can pay big wages, are based in London, are ambitious and want to continue to win and will invest money to do so; because they just won the Champions League?
Quite a few good reasons. Also, let's not forget Chelsea have been hiring and firing managers for years and it hasn't stopped players coming to the club.
At Chelsea Hazard will be The Man. With no Drogba around, a dodgy in form outta form Torres and an ageing Lampard everything will go through Hazard rather than playing second fiddle to Rooney at United or forth fiddle behind Aguero, Silva & Toure at City.
Yeah Chelsea need more than just Hazard but it's a start and can only make the PL as a whole better that they strengthen with a talent such as Hazard.
Yeah Chelsea need more than just Hazard but it's a start and can only make the PL as a whole better that they strengthen with a talent such as Hazard.
That reads like someone trying to explain how Chelsea will be fine with the FFP if the people implementing it are idiots and trying to find reasons to include Chelsea. They will take a dim view of clubs that fail the FFP and have spent huge amounts after the FFP rules were announced.
No one in their right mind would say that Chelsea deserved to win the CL this year and if they played the same way next year they will be lucky to make it out of the group stage. Past success is no marker for future success. They finished 25 points off the pace last year and they are losing Drogba. Would you want to be the first signing for a team that finished 6th and has lost one of their best players this year. If this was happening towards the end of the transfer window when Chelsea had signed a few more players I would think it more sensible.
They have always had a manager when signing players, they don't have one now. I would not sign for a club without talking to the manager about his future vision and what my role would be in the club. The owner giving me assurances wouldn't be enough.
Honestly he may well go to Chelsea but I can't see how it is the best choice logically. He may have just picked the side he likes the look of for all I know and the CL football for Chelsea was enough to make them favourites. If he wanted to join Chelsea over United and City but was put off by the lack of CL football then it may have been an easy decision when they won it.
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One thing to note, they've completely ignored that the loss that is acceptable is an AVERAGE, which cuts it in 1/2 or a third depending on if that rule has changed. Which means getting to 45mil PER season isn't actually enough, they need to get significantly lower, their wage estimate is also way below what we've all seen reported elsewhere, and any big name buys will not only add to the amortisation costs, but increase wages because they aren't going to get Hazard, or Hulk, or anyone else they need without a big wage, likely bigger than those they are replacing.
Also, champs leagues wins don't make a huge difference, the bulk of the money they get for the competition. People keep calling it a 50mil bonus, but look at Spurs, they get the best part of 39mil from getting to where Chelsea get most seasons. It's only 10-15mil more than getting a round or two earlier which they do every year. 10mil isn't going to make a big difference at all. Likewise their big "they'll be in the rules" thing is people signing contracts before 2010 not including, most guys who sign contract extensions don't sign 4 year contracts, more like a 1 or 2 year extension, and several more of those who wouldn't be included will most likely need further extensions soon, or getting rid of and a new player. So they are rather ignoring what maybe, once, if lucky might be a flukey 40mil wage loophole, but by the next year, two max, will be irrelevant.
Without a new stadium Chelsea don't have a shot(without City style epic sponsorship deals.... dodgy ones) of meeting FFP long term, huge wages, and 50mil short in stadium income.
The main thing is though, no where anywhere have they said what will happen if you miss the "allowed" losses.... and when we get the official word expect something similar to the championship. Which is, IIRC roughly speaking if you go 1-2mil over the limit you pay a fine something like 10-20% of the amount you've over spent, so you spend 2mil more than you should, you pay a 200k fine, then as the amount you spend goes up, so does the fine so it its like 10mil over, you pay a 7-8mil fine or something stupid.
So teams like West Ham buying their way back to the prem, would pay twice as much to do so, once in losses(covered by a rich owner) and once in fines on those losses.
Basically speaking, if the champs league gets you 40mil a year, then they could fine you up to 40mil(because it would still be worth being in, because players want to play in it, sponsorship deals for a team in the champs league all mean increased income still). But if the fine was a few million(and varying for the worst offenders) then most teams would pay the fine to make a huge slice of the money available.
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Do you really think Hazard gives a damn about the new FFP?
You're all looking into this a bit too much. He is going to pick somewhere that offers a balance of premium wages/playtime/position. I don't think Hazard is going to sit at home with Excel open and compile a financial forecast for the next 2-3 years for each club and see if it meets certain regulations.
Stop speculating and just wait for the official announcement.
Wasted effort, jeez.
You're all looking into this a bit too much. He is going to pick somewhere that offers a balance of premium wages/playtime/position. I don't think Hazard is going to sit at home with Excel open and compile a financial forecast for the next 2-3 years for each club and see if it meets certain regulations.
Stop speculating and just wait for the official announcement.
Wasted effort, jeez.
Looks like the Swans have nabbed Gylfi permanently:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17945917
Great result, especially considering his performances this season must have caught the eye of bigger teams
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17945917
Great result, especially considering his performances this season must have caught the eye of bigger teams
Surely he would have to if he wants CL football next season
(whether its a major concern or not, it has to be given a little consideration)
Although the unknown manager, and his style of play will imo be a bigger factor
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Well done except, no one has linked Hazard to FFP at all, just maybe in the same post.
FFP was in relation to how much Chelsea might spend this summer, in which case Hazard should be interested IF he thinks FFP might get Chelsea thrown out of Europe, or effect their chances to win the league. SO it's something to think about and also makes you wonder who Chelsea might buy, a single big player, a bunch of small players, can they afford 3 big name signings due to FFP, that is the reason it came up, not a reason Hazard would choose to go there or not.
Also that page about Chelsea making it within the FFP both ignores that 45mil is an average, so is at least 22.5mil out, AND suggests the one off payments are behind them..... which were largely manager payout's, which has since been a massive one for AVB, which throws it another, honestly can't remember but thats another 10mil north of what they think with maybe more to come with RDM being fired also as if they install a new manager its very common for them to bring in their own assistant manager, though RDM might not officially be under a long term contract anymore.
Just thinking what Chelsea's lineup could be next season....
---------------Cech---------------
Ivanovic---Cahill---Terry---Cole
---Ramires--Romeu--Mata---
Marin--------Torres--------Hazard
Subs: Hilário, Luiz, Mikel, Essien, Lampard, Sturridge, Lukaku
Looks good no?
EDIT: RE: Hazard apparently both us and City pulled out/were put off by the agents fee's involved. I know Biz said as much himself in regards to City.
---------------Cech---------------
Ivanovic---Cahill---Terry---Cole
---Ramires--Romeu--Mata---
Marin--------Torres--------Hazard
Subs: Hilário, Luiz, Mikel, Essien, Lampard, Sturridge, Lukaku
Looks good no?
EDIT: RE: Hazard apparently both us and City pulled out/were put off by the agents fee's involved. I know Biz said as much himself in regards to City.
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