What cash? His contract with chelsea has ended - or do you mean from somewhere else?
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What cash? His contract with chelsea has ended - or do you mean from somewhere else?
laughs at the stupidity of imposing a fine on a club for going over budget, and therefore possibly causing the club to go over the next season's budget again
UEFA have already banned a large number of small Swiss clubs from European competition for this reason (according to the press a month or so ago) - but it would be very interesting to see how they treat the much bigger "heavy weights" for doing the same thing.
No quotes from the agent or the player in L'Equipe article
I think there's only one reason Hazard would choose Chelsea, and it's money.
They have no manager currently, and no set formation or playing style. They lack stability.
If the reports about Man City are true and they won't offer him a stupid wage/fee (good for them), and Chelsea are prepared to offer significantly more, then he may be tempted there.
Okay, London has some appeal but not more so than the increased chance of winning trophies with City or United. I know they did exceptionally well in the Champion's League this year but there's realistically very little chance of them replicating that success again for a while yet.
Ultimately though, I don't trust any of these press reports. Until now Man Utd have been massive favourites based on absolutely nothing, and these Chelsea reports seem to be the same.
Looking forward to the England/Belgium game though, Hazard will have quite a lot to prove on English soil, and is meant to be announcing his choice after the game.
They have no manager currently, and no set formation or playing style. They lack stability.
If the reports about Man City are true and they won't offer him a stupid wage/fee (good for them), and Chelsea are prepared to offer significantly more, then he may be tempted there.
Okay, London has some appeal but not more so than the increased chance of winning trophies with City or United. I know they did exceptionally well in the Champion's League this year but there's realistically very little chance of them replicating that success again for a while yet.
Ultimately though, I don't trust any of these press reports. Until now Man Utd have been massive favourites based on absolutely nothing, and these Chelsea reports seem to be the same.
Looking forward to the England/Belgium game though, Hazard will have quite a lot to prove on English soil, and is meant to be announcing his choice after the game.
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Not this again!
Aye, no club whether it be United, City or Chelsea will allow Hazard to announce where he's going it'll be the club themselves
Yes, but the club may do it at the same time or something, that's what I mean.
I disagree. Out of the 3, he may be put off man city due to the competition for places. That would leave man u and chelsea. He could well see london as a nicer place to live (because it is!
), and the number of other young belgian players at chelsea (de bruyne, lukaku, and courtois) could make it seem more attractive. Of course money will always be a factor but I don't think it would be the only reason if he did choose chelsea.
I disagree. Out of the 3, he may be put off man city due to the competition for places. That would leave man u and chelsea. He could well see london as a nicer place to live (because it is!
Of course money will always be a factor but I don't think it would be the only reason if he did choose chelsea.
London may play a part in it but I doubt having a few bit part belgian youngsters there will do much for him.
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I disagree. Out of the 3, he may be put off man city due to the competition for places. That would leave man u and chelsea. He could well see london as a nicer place to live (because it is!
Of course money will always be a factor but I don't think it would be the only reason if he did choose chelsea.
Or he could immensely dislike one or all of those players, team mates != bestest friends. Likewise, some players might see Chelsea as a team that can't afford to rest him, might want him to play through injuries and will have to play against Stoke, away, in the rain, while he might see City as a team that can afford to rest him, so he'll play the important games, big games, big teams but is more likely to have a day off when playing Stoke.
I never understand why people make such generalisations about why a player might want to go somewhere.
Wait, theres a Belgian player at Arsenal therefore a belgian defender is more likely to choose them. Why? Because a defender at Arsenal will tell his best friend its a great defence and he won't be embarrassed most weeks by ridiculous mistakes? Because they play for the same country they have to be best friends, because every player in the world, without question wants to play every single game they can in their career? There are no people who are happy picking up a paycheck and don't give a monkeys about their team at all.
Without personally knowing Hazard, almost every single reason you can think of can be a great reason for going to that team, or staying away from that team.
ULtimately Nasri went to City for, money and challenging for titles. The majority of players would take playing 20% less games for being part of a team that wins titles, than playing more games for a team that will never win anything.
Yes, of course Chelsea did win this year, they won big. But they still have one of the smaller chances to win the champs league next season out of the top teams in any of the big leagues. Their chances of competing with City or Utd for the league next year.... not great.
IF Chelsea sign Hazard and Hulk (as being reported) and a creative deep-lying playmaker, (let's say Modric for now) they would line up as:
--------------- Cech ------------
Ivanovic - Luiz/Cahill - Terry - Cole
-------- Mikel ------- Modric ------
---- Hulk ---- Mata ---- Hazard
-------------- Torres -------------
You can't see that challenging for the title?
Edit: Plus squad players: Marin, Romeu, Lukaku, Bertrand, Meirelles, Essien, Lampard, De Bruyne, Ferreria, Malouda, Sturridge.
I also expect them to sign another RB.
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yur thinking of the wrong year - I was talking about next year's comp. It was mentioned in one of the Chelsea CL commentaries recently
1stly Why do you think Chelsea will throw £70m or so into midfield without getting a striker 1st (as you have included Hulk as a wide player / winger)?
2nd - Torres STILL has a lot to prove in London, nothing to suggest yet he will be a gaurenteed success.
3rd - So you are only including 3 players they havent yet signed (transfer fees of £100m wouldnt be unreasonable) before a right back you mentioned? Owner mightt well be able to afford that, can Chelsea though (with a new stadium remember)
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nope.
Look at City, did anyone they signed this year really make a difference, Aguero scored about the same as Tevez has, the main difference was the majority of the back four and midfield 4-5 having another year to gel together.
Ivanovic might well be off, Mikel isn't that good, Modric lol at lining him up ahead of Lampard in that team, Lampard is much better than him.
Torres has been there for 18 months and still hasn't started scoring anywhere near enough for a prem winning side, Hulk and Hazard aren't certain to have top seasons straight away and there is no indication Hazard is signing for Chelsea at all.
He could be naming three clubs and end up at Real, its a wage raising tactic, nothing more right now.
So anyway even with those signings, with a new manager and two currently stronger teams, no I doubt they'd seriously challenge for the title, be closer, I expect that without any signings anyway.
Fact is considering Chelsea's current position, and currently no manager I doubt that Hazard would sign for them.
Hulk can play both as a striker and a winger. Perfect signing for Chelsea.
Correct, but without Drogba at the club I imagine he'll do a lot better.
3rd - So you are only including 3 players they havent yet signed (transfer fees of £100m wouldnt be unreasonable) before a right back you mentioned? Owner mightt well be able to afford that, can Chelsea though (with a new stadium remember)
I don't quite get that post. Do I think Chelsea could spend upwards of 100m this transfer window? Yes I do. The stadium would be funded by the Russian and wouldn't count towards FFP.
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The stadium wouldn't count towards FFP, the 100mil transfers would, and they made a 70mil loss last season. FFP rules are set to supposedly be enforced from the beginning of next season is it based on the previous 3 years results(might be another season so starting 2014, can't remember when they started counting towards it). However they are supposed to start off with 45mil average losses over 3 years, they are so so far beyond that.
City, Chelsea and really so many other clubs in the champs league are so far beyond the 45mil already, I doubt FFP will ever be enforced. Hell the championship seems set to do it maybe before Uefa, and their rules are if you break the spending limit essentially you pay a fine eventually equal to that of the spending. They haven't published the punishments for breaking ffp, mostly the what counts towards FFP and the limits and I thought a couple years ago it would turn into one huge money generating scheme off the rich clubs for Fifa/Uefa/FA, where Chelsea spend 60mil over their budget, and to stay in the champs league they have to pay a stonking great big 20+mil fine(for that level of going over limit).
If that happens then, City/Chelsea might well just continue to spend as they have, we'll have to see.
As for Hulk being the perfect player, yet to be seen, Ferreira looked a good right back in Portugal, AVB looked a good manager in a ridiculously one team league(8 of the last 10 league titles iirc), etc, etc. Hulk's style might not translate that well, frankly because he'll be up against hugely better defenders and fullbacks, who knows how well he'll do.
Likewise, whoever is the next manager might want a different, powerful striker and not Hulk, Chelsea might decide to buy someone on the cheap, they might find Lukaku is very good and want to play 4-4-2 with him behind a new striker and dump Torres.... who knows is the answer. Either way, to challenge for the title they need quite a few players, and I doubt they'll have a settled team working together well, with a new manager who will get a title challenge out of them.
City, Chelsea and really so many other clubs in the champs league are so far beyond the 45mil already, I doubt FFP will ever be enforced. Hell the championship seems set to do it maybe before Uefa, and their rules are if you break the spending limit essentially you pay a fine eventually equal to that of the spending. They haven't published the punishments for breaking ffp, mostly the what counts towards FFP and the limits and I thought a couple years ago it would turn into one huge money generating scheme off the rich clubs for Fifa/Uefa/FA, where Chelsea spend 60mil over their budget, and to stay in the champs league they have to pay a stonking great big 20+mil fine(for that level of going over limit).
If that happens then, City/Chelsea might well just continue to spend as they have, we'll have to see.
As for Hulk being the perfect player, yet to be seen, Ferreira looked a good right back in Portugal, AVB looked a good manager in a ridiculously one team league(8 of the last 10 league titles iirc), etc, etc. Hulk's style might not translate that well, frankly because he'll be up against hugely better defenders and fullbacks, who knows how well he'll do.
Likewise, whoever is the next manager might want a different, powerful striker and not Hulk, Chelsea might decide to buy someone on the cheap, they might find Lukaku is very good and want to play 4-4-2 with him behind a new striker and dump Torres.... who knows is the answer. Either way, to challenge for the title they need quite a few players, and I doubt they'll have a settled team working together well, with a new manager who will get a title challenge out of them.
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Llorente to Arsenal being rumoured.
I would be a little surprised. He is wanted by quite a few clubs and would cost over £20 million.
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