Almost Titanic 2

Heard on the news that the passenger cabins all had a keycard entry/exit system, which stopped working when the ship capsized - leaving people stuck if they were in their cabin when it happened. Surely can't be right? Loads of people would have been caught out and died if their cabin was below the waterline.
 
It seems like the ship was off course to me, all reports suggest this is the case. Either that or a rock has appeard in the ships normal route.

The captain might be to blame but it seems abit over the top for him to not leave until everyone else. Obviously he shouldn't be the first off but with a ship of this size and so many passengers it seems unrealistic for him to know if everyone is off before he escapes. If he did that he would still be on there 3 days later.
 
scorza said:
Heard on the news that the passenger cabins all had a keycard entry/exit system, which stopped working when the ship capsized - leaving people stuck if they were in their cabin when it happened. Surely can't be right? Loads of people would have been caught out and died if their cabin was below the waterline.
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Wouldnt they have some kind of emergency release system inside each room to open the door in case of loss of power?

If not, thats a terrifying prospect. Trapped in a sinking ship with no way out of your tiny cabin.
 
I've never seen a keycard lock system that you needed the card to get OUT of a room. They always have a good old mechanical knob on the inside for just such occasions.
Everything being said about the captain and systems is pure supposition at the moment. Latest I've heard is he could well have saved everyone by beaching it after it had been fatally holed. Better to fall over in shallow water than to sink completely with people still on board.
 
Hmm i just been looking at the pictures, and to me it clearly is a rock stuck in the side, a hefty one at that.

Now i ain't very good with boats so bare with me.

Looking at the pictures the ship struck something on the Port side.

So the whole appears and water starts gushing in, surely the ship would have started tilting to Port since i imagine that section of the ship doesn't go right through. Is it possible that it hit something on the starboard side of the ship too ? and thats why it has listed that way thus the water having two points of entry ?

Maybe i'm being thick but it just don't seem right for tht huge whole to be facing up to the sky......

And on the discussion of key cards and that, most hotels have key cards and then on the inside have door handles like the above poster said, however you'd have to take into account water pressure and the possibility that once the shipped had tilted like it has the door is now at the top of room and some people may not be able to reach it ?
 
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According to a new update, theres evidence there was significant human error by the captain and the ships course was much too close to the shore.
 
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MadMan-JaMeS said:
Hmm i just been looking at the pictures, and to me it clearly is a rock stuck in the side, a hefty one at that.

Now i ain't very good with boats so bare with me.

Looking at the pictures the ship struck something on the Port side.

So the whole appears and water starts gushing in, surely the ship would have started tilting to Port since i imagine that section of the ship doesn't go right through. Is it possible that it hit something on the starboard side of the ship too ? and thats why it has listed that way thus the water having two points of entry ?

Maybe i'm being thick but it just don't seem right for tht huge whole to be facing up to the sky......

And on the discussion of key cards and that, most hotels have key cards and then on the inside have door handles like the above poster said, however you'd have to take into account water pressure and the possibility that once the shipped had tilted like it has the door is now at the top of room and some people may not be able to reach it ?
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Yep you're right it is a rock, better photo of it here:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Collision_of_Costa_Concordia_DSC4191.jpg

The way the ship capsizes will depend on how the water flowed into the hull of the ship, it may have been that the water was able to accumulate more on the starboard side than the port side even though the hole was on the port forcing it over that way.

Edit: From reading the wiki article it seems that the Master made a turn to try and return to port which shifted the centre of gravity to the starboard side at which point it started to list.

Edit: Incredible - they didn't issue a Mayday!
 
It says it did originally list towards the side of the damage, but then went the other way when they turned to try and get it into the harbour. This would have caused the water to rush to the other side of the ship. Seems like just a bunch of poor command decisions all round.
 
Seems to me - in a position of armchair expert - that despite the flooding from the holed side, the ship toppled over as opposed to capsized due to loss of draught....

The Costa Concordia has a draught of 8.50 m (27 ft 11 in) - Wiki - in shallow water, any ship of such a draught would lose stability, especially one of 114,500 GT of the height of that vessel.

Edit; - Anybody else running ships aground in Ship Sim / Virtual Sailor since this as I am? :o :D
 
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dbmzk1 said:
It says it did originally list towards the side of the damage, but then went the other way when they turned to try and get it into the harbour. This would have caused the water to rush to the other side of the ship. Seems like just a bunch of poor command decisions all round.
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That makes sense.

I'm glad people could see my thinking though :)

It seems the company are already blaming the captain, so it looks likes he's gonna be nailed to a cross for this. Thing is what do you when something like this happens ? A natural thing is to panic and start trying to sort it which has obviously led to this disaster. Shame because the ship should have a lot more safety measures in place. If there is a loss of power the ship becomes dead in the water. That ain't right no matter how you look at it.
 
Craig1981 said:
According to a new update, theres evidence there was significant human error by the captain and the ships course was much too close to the shore.
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Source?

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The captain is going to burn for this.
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Perhaps. However I have just been looking at the charts for that part of the coast. 3 different maps put an area of the reef at diffrent places, not by much, but a noticable amount.

It begs the question why they were even anywhere near that close to the coast!

New dive site anyone??!!
 
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