Am i in the wrong?

Phate · 30 Mar 2006 at 02:06

Right

long story short, me and my shop manager. we don't get along. He trys to get me for everything and his big ego and bigheadedness is really really starting to annoy me....has been for while. Thing is, outside of work, hes a really great guy, get along with him fine, its just in work he goes on an ego trip and trys to get me for everything (i mean everything) and the other guy who i work with is so far up the shop managers arse he eats his lunch (literally)

Ok now today, admittedly i woke up abit late and i got to work about 2 minutes before 9 (we start at 9 finish at 5.30) whereas normally i get to work about 5 minutes to, so i walk in and the shop manager and the other tech is already there, and second i walk in

Shop manager: "Hey Jake"
Me: "Morning" (not offensive in anyway shape or form just a polite hello.

3 seconds later

Shop manager: "Jake! your supposed to say sorry when your late"
Me: "I'm not late"
Shop manager: "Yes you are, work starts at 9!"
Me: "It is 9"
Shop Manager: "No its a minute after"
Me "I make it a minute before, ring the freakin talking clock if you wanna be that specific"

now i don't no if its his idea of "managing" but in work he was fine before he got promoted from a techie as to the shop manager.

Now i can't talk to my boss about it as he's in hospital recently undergone a major operation.

Another example of what he did today.

Me: "Yeh just removed this one heck of a virus from the laptop can you check it over before i connect it to the network?"

Shop Manager: "Yeh sure"

...a few minutes later....

Shop manager: "Why isnt AVG updated?"
Me: "Because i just spent 2 days removing a virus which could have messed up the server"
Shop Manager: "Why isnt AVG updated!?"
Me: "Because i didnt want to connect it to the network"
Shop Manager: "Why not update it manually?"
Me: "I tried it didn't work"
Shop Manager: "Your lying and making things up again" and for the record i never have done.

and so it went on then in the end, i just stopped answering him and ignored him.

But he has wierd spells like this, like he'll be really happy and having a laugh and that. I mean we always argue at work, and then after work today we were playing eve and using skype, as if we were good mates.
Now i think the whole shop manager thing has just gone to his head and needs a serious reality check. Or it maybe that when the boss was around he kept a very tight ship (which i preferred) and occasionally he did shout when one of us did something wrong which is fair enough. but the shop manager seems to think he needs to shout to get things done, and as far as keeping us all informed on whats happening like the boss did, he just tells the other techie at the other end of the shop and expects me to be able to hear what hes saying (most of the time he mumbles) and quite often he claims that he tells me something when he actually doesnt.

What do you suggest i do? and i am currently looking for another job.

Jet · 30 Mar 2006 at 02:14

It's hard to blame him for being different outside work. Some people take their job very seriously and want to do well at it. He clearly wants to show the boss he can do a good job.

I think both are to blame really. You shouldn't really arrive at work 1 minute before 9. Likewise, his attitude is wrong as well. The best thing you can do is to do your best and not give him any excuses to snap, or have a word and ask him to treat you differently in return for you stepping up your game.

Maybe deep down he wants to do well at his job but it comes out like he is being hard on you.

Phate · 30 Mar 2006 at 02:21

Jet said:
It's hard to blame him for being different outside work. Some people take their job very seriously and want to do well at it. He clearly wants to show the boss he can do a good job.

I think both are to blame really. You shouldn't really arrive at work 1 minute before 9. Likewise, his attitude is wrong as well. The best thing you can do is to do your best and not give him any excuses to snap, or have a word and ask him to treat you differently in return for you stepping up your game.

Maybe deep down he wants to do well at his job but it comes out like he is being hard on you.

i see what your saying, and in all fairness thats the only time ive done that, im normally quite prompt, from about feb last year till about october, i can garuntee he was late EVERY morning by atleast 15 mins.

i no its not the way to treat people - shouting at them to get a message - fair enough my parents treated me hard and it made me a better person, but its no way to encourage someone at work, who is trying to earn his keep, and is trying to learn and do better but when you got someone continually having a go then as far as im concerned its just not on. Especially when if the other techie does something wrong, he calmly explains what he did wrong and how to avoid it in the long run. and whereas me he simply asks why i did it in the first place and i ask how can i avoid it and he just ignores me. now how am i supposed to do well if he isnt willing to help me at work?

loltim · 30 Mar 2006 at 02:33

Jet said:
You shouldn't really arrive at work 1 minute before 9

Why not? He's only payed from after 9. He just has an ass of a boss.

pyro · 30 Mar 2006 at 03:28

Jet said:
I think both are to blame really. You shouldn't really arrive at work 1 minute before 9.

If he gets paid from half 8 to half 5, fair enough, but why should he be early?

Jet · 30 Mar 2006 at 04:04

Well personally i arrive about 10 minutes before I start so I have time to get my coat off, to get to where I need to be and just to get ready to work. Coming through the door at 1 minute to 9 doesn't leave much time for this.

But to be honest i'm not one to try and get one over on the company i work for by getting through the door only exactly when my shift starts. I prefer to get in 10mins early and make sure i'm working at the time i was told. No point in biting the hand that feeds you. He's having problems with his boss and their relationship, this isn't going to help.

In any case I get paid from when I clock in which could be 5 or 10 minutes before my shift.

SaBBz · 30 Mar 2006 at 07:23

All seems a bit melodramatic to me..

jezsoup · 30 Mar 2006 at 07:44

pyro said:
If he gets paid from half 8 to half 5, fair enough, but why should he be early?

You are paid for the work you do no tthe time your there. So you should get there with enough time to get ready so you can start work on 9. <pedantic ex departmental adminstrator/manager head off>

The boss was being an ass!

theleg · 30 Mar 2006 at 07:47

You sound like a stroppy, cheeky little child.

richieboy · 30 Mar 2006 at 07:58

If he's friendly outside of work, why not give him a "pally" punch on the arm and tell him how you feel in a matey type fashion?

Oh, and if your contract says 9-5, you should be in from 9-5 unless you want to do otherwise. If your in any earlier than that your just a lovely generous chap who is working for free

Alternatively, find a better job? Put up with it until your mega boss gets back? Make faces at the guy behind his back to help you get through the day? Your options are endless!

theleg · 30 Mar 2006 at 08:01

richieboy said:
If he's friendly outside of work, why not give him a "pally" punch on the arm and tell him how you feel in a matey type fashion?

Oh, and if your contract says 9-5, you work 9-5. If your in any earlier than that your just a lovely generous chap who is working for free

Alternatively, find a better job? Put up with it until your mega boss gets back? Make faces at the guy behind his back to help you get through the day? Your options are endless!

Hes paid to WORK between 9-5...If he gets there on the dot, then chances are hes not ready to work immediately. He has to get ready..Coat off, organise etc..

This is one of the problems with people today..They only care about doing the minimum required to get by :/

richieboy · 30 Mar 2006 at 08:07

Balddog said:
Hes paid to WORK between 9-5...If he gets there on the dot, then chances are hes not ready to work immediately. He has to get ready..Coat off, organise etc..

This is one of the problems with people today..They only care about doing the minimum required to get by :/

Alright...lets take where i work. We book on/off through SAP when we come in. Yup, thats right - when we come in the front gate. Do we wait a few minutes for "settling down" time and then book on? No.

Some people are unbelieveable. I wonder if his contract states he should be there "a few minutes before 9 to settle down", i wouldn't of thought so.

jezsoup · 30 Mar 2006 at 08:08

Balddog said:
Hes paid to WORK between 9-5...If he gets there on the dot, then chances are hes not ready to work immediately. He has to get ready..Coat off, organise etc..

This is one of the problems with people today..They only care about doing the minimum required to get by :/

Too bloody true, It winds me up chronic does that. They arnt getting in early at all yet they will make sucha big deal that they are in before 9/whenever! Tards!

jezsoup · 30 Mar 2006 at 08:10

richieboy said:
Some people are unbelieveable. I wonder if his contract states he should be there "a few minutes before 9 to settle down", i wouldn't of thought so.

Its kidna common sense and taken for granted by employers. Your contract says you start work at 9, not get into the building START WORK!! Its just most companies dont bother chasing staff up for the odd minute or 2 here and there. Its just rude and selfish of the employee.

Ex-RoNiN · 30 Mar 2006 at 08:13

If the employment contract doesn't explicitly state that you must arrive earlier, then fair enough.

Otherwise - tough, write a better contract. 2 minutes more or less don't make a practical difference at all.

richieboy · 30 Mar 2006 at 08:13

My whole point to the above was the fact that this guy was coming in before 9 anyway, so imo even if he was 1 minute late he should have been cut some slack as he is in 5 minutes to 9 every other day, otherwise surely thats just rude and selfish of the employer?

People like you are why this country does more working hours than anywhere else in Europe. If anyone does come in before their contracted hours it is out of the kindness of their heart and should be appreciated, not taken for granted.

theleg · 30 Mar 2006 at 08:20

richieboy said:
Alright...lets take where i work. We book on/off through SAP when we come in. Yup, thats right - when we come in the front gate. Do we wait a few minutes for "settling down" time and then book on? No.

Some people are unbelieveable. I wonder if his contract states he should be there "a few minutes before 9 to settle down", i wouldn't of thought so.

Where you work doesnt matter mate..We are talkin about this bloke who started the thread...

I notice its only the kids who are saying this stuff..Get in at the last minute unless your contract states otherwise..LOL...

theleg · 30 Mar 2006 at 08:21

Ex-RoNiN said:
If the employment contract doesn't explicitly state that you must arrive earlier, then fair enough.

Otherwise - tough, write a better contract. 2 minutes more or less don't make a practical difference at all.

Fine...Then dont complain about getting chewed out if you dont start working the SECOND you get through the door..No going to the cloakroom to take off your coat and get sorted..You start the second you get in...

SaBBz · 30 Mar 2006 at 08:23

Balddog said:
This is one of the problems with people today..They only care about doing the minimum required to get by :/

I wholeheartedly agree.

Duke · 30 Mar 2006 at 08:24

Balddog said:
Hes paid to WORK between 9-5...If he gets there on the dot, then chances are hes not ready to work immediately. He has to get ready..Coat off, organise etc..

This is one of the problems with people today..They only care about doing the minimum required to get by :/

Totally agree with that.